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    pat pro commented  · 

    3D Tracking (Matchmoving) means analysing 2D video footage. You need it in every compositing were the camera is moving free!
    So it has nothing to do with 3D modelling! and most time you place only 2D cards in space with no need of any 3D model. AE and every compositing tool has its 3D tracker but the AE version is very basic without any advanced options.

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    @ Pablo

    i know you love to outsource everything from a Compositing Software😆. And yes, 2010 3D Matchmover where Standalone Products like you prefer it with ever Tool. And it was realy painful to switch every time and load extra scripts to import it. But thanx god we are now in 2018 and every Compositing (where every discipline comes together) has its own 3D Matchmover, Keyer, Particlesystem, Rendere 3D Space/Engine , Animation-Tools etc.
    So yes it makes totaly sense to give advanced artists more options if they are needed ;-) otherwise AE will be soon a toy for beginner only ;-)

    PS: Cinema 3D Tracker is not realy good or advanced!

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    pat pro commented  · 

    In compositing every media comes together.
    But there are not only videos, photos, graphics and sound out there...there is also 3D! - everywhere!

    So AE needs to understand 3D data from other applications and should do basic 3D operations direct inside.

    2D planes in space, slow fake 3D or an unstable link to only one "beginner" 3D tool is not enough in 2018.

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    pat pro commented  · 

    Cinema 4D, cinema 4D , cinema 4D :D ...is that everything you know about 3D?
    And yes, a better Link between C4D and AE is always nice to have for C4D.

    But i tell you a scret :) ...3D is not only Cinema4D and your loved, slowly and unstable C4D-Link workflow would also be 10 times faster and better if AE would got the basic 3D engine of Cinema 4D nativly <3

    it would be easier, fast and better to navigate, manipulate and import 3D data - also form 3D tools outside your little C4D world :D ...wouldn't that be great?

    Maybe you wouldn't need to switch programs at all, because basic 3D motion graphics could be done direct in AE <3

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    @ Pablo
    A Compositing tool is a tool where every dicipline of CG comes together, so it has to understand everything and give some options to manipulate those inputs.

    Today its absolutly normal to cut, color key, color correct, 3D track and animate in compositing-tools but this are all disciplines where other tools a better and more specialised in.

    Todays cinema movies are mostly projected in 3D stereo (so the have to be composed in 3D), we have new media like VR, AR where everything has to be in 3D space.

    So in the future (most comp tools have that already) it will be absolutly normal that every compositing tool has to have the possibility to do simple 3D tasks without switching everytime to a specialised 3D tool. This specialised 3D tools are useful for comlicated muscle, water, hair, physik and crowd simulation but not to create simple primitives! that was back in 1995 where i started with CG :D

    It is pure nonsens to switch for simple 3D task in Motion Graphics or Camera Mapping back and forth ...and in my opinion thats exactly the discipline of After Effects.

    I really think, if AE dosn't have in 5 years a simple, well integrated 3D Engine. The next generation of artist and students won't use it like today.

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    @ Pablo
    So which discipline is After Effects stand for?
    Compositing? than you ned simple 3D in 2018... is it for Motion Graphics? ...than you need simple 3D in 2018

    Dont unterstand me wrong! it has not to replace specialiced 3D programms but it should understand there files and should be able to make little changes or adjustments without switching all the time. Cinema 4D is only one of many 3D Tools out there! ...Today you have to switch to Cinema 4D if you only want a 3D tube in space - thats nonsens!

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    8 years ago i asked here for a real 3D engine inside of After Effects to not loose ground against other compositing tools - my advice was to invest in Cinema4D. And yes, you did something like that but you made only a link between that tools - but that is by far not enough!!!

    In 2018 even 399€ gimmick tools like "Hitfilm Express" have more advanced 3D engines than After Effects and therefor no one use After Effects in the movie-business anymore.

    Its realy a shame that even beginners and hobbiest can´t do there simple 3D comps without an extern plugin from Andrew Kramer (3D Elements) inside of After Effects.

    3D is standard and everywhere!

    So what we need is:

    A good and solid 3D engine direct in After Effects were we can import textured and animated .fbx, abc-files, cameras, tracking data, 3D particles,3D pointclouds etc.

    A tools to create simple 3D geometry for camera projections, VFX and Motion Graphics.

    Simple tools to deforme, texture and animate objects

    A intelligent bone-tools with presets for simple animation (also in 2D!!! (like a modern Duik-Tool))

    A inteligent, nodebased 3D particlesystem

    A GPU based render

    A 3D tracking tool were we can help the algorithmen in a advanced mode.
    -Set relations between points (distance, line, flat surface ect.)
    -Lens distortion
    -Object-tracking
    -Export/Import to other applications.

    ... there is a lot to do because the future will be a combination of real footage and realtime 3D - also in composting tools! - so get rid of that 25 year old core!

    PS:
    And please do not integrate the 3D Element plugin!!! - We need a real, solid 3D engine and no gimmick anymore!!!!!!!!!

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