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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    Hi Sven,

    Is this in the Export Tab/Audio or the Audio Track Mixer?
    Is your sequence set to Stereo (Default) or is it set to Multichannel?
    In either case, Stereo will not give you any control.
    What type of Audio Tracks are you using in the sequence? (Standard, Mono, Adaptive, 5.1?)

    I have a 16 track Multichannel sequence where I can access the Channel Outputs in the Export Tab/Audio. I still have to select one of the channels and use the arrow keys to scroll them. The window slider is still not present as in older versions.

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    Just a quick update:

    After installing 2022.3.1, the scrolling works with the arrow keys.

    Thank you,
    Rob K.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    Hello Matt,

    Thank you for the reply.
    Unfortunately, that doesn't work. I've tried all the arrows and alas, no scrolling.

    Rob K.

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    All,


    first of all I wanted to thank everyone for making this a productive conversation over the last couple of days.


    As several people responded to my comment about keeping the tone civilised, I need to dwell on that for a minute. Please hear me out, this is important to everyone on my crew and I hope it will be to you.


    Saying that we shouldn't be surprised when things get heated is very problematic in my opinion. How do you expect a junior person on my team to respond to a technical question when it is combined with something that can easily be described as hate speech? How do you think we can actually come together on actual issues when there's already the assumption that we're a big faceless corporation, not even listening to our customers?


    People on my team have received threats. I've been there over the years,…

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    I'm sad to say (maybe not too sad) that I've downloaded and have been learning the free version of Resolve 17 for the past few days. Nothing wrong with having plenty of tools in your toolbox. I'm sure most of us have used more than one NLE over the years. Well, maybe not YouTube folks.

    I work for PBS and we're also stuck on 2022.2. I couldn't tell you how many Premiere seats we have.

    Anyway, in Resolve it's nice that peak files don't flicker when moving clips or scrolling the sequence. There are copious amount of training PDF's along with sample files and even sequences you can download and follow along with. It's free. Even the Studio version is a one time $295. You really have nothing to lose checking it out.

    I'm definitely not an AE or PS "Power User". Premiere is my "Bread and Butter".
    I'm still willing to see what Adobe does next. I do like the entire system but, we'll see.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    FWIW, I did receive an email that the Adobe offices will be cloed this week.
    I can give them til Monday to respond.

    Rob K.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    Hey Paul,

    It seems Premiere isn't the only one looking at satisfying "Social Media" folks.
    I just upgraded to Ver 19 and this is the ad I received. (see image)
    Et Tu, Magix?

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    Good Morning Mr. Palmer,

    I'm very grateful you took the time to speak 1:1 with folks and are making a concerted effort to improve the UI.

    One quick item please? Yes, I too like "Enter" for immediate export or Cueing in ME. However, I'd still like the CMD(Ctl)+Enter for either Cueing to ME or Direct Export. I believe hitting Enter on the Numeric Keypad of a keyboard cued my Export in ME. I'm fine either way. I just like the idea of having shortcuts for both Cue in ME and Export.

    Thanks again and I look forward to hearing more. Hope you and your Team have a great weekend.

    Bob K.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    Good Morning,

    I just noticed in the ACC app that there is a "Beta apps" page on the left side.
    For all I know, it's probably been there since forever?

    My question is: If I install a Beta version, does it overwrite the release version or can I have them live together on the same machine?

    Are there "Release Notes" or a link to be able to see what's new?

    Bob K.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    I'd like to put a call out to all the Beta Testers.
    Please post your opinion as to why you like the new Export tool.
    I'll wait...

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    Hi Rob,

    One quick update on the well written post below:
    "- Exporting audio wav file starts timecode at 0:00:00 instead of the location of the audio file"

    Not sure what you mean by "the location of the file", but I had commented that the TC starts at 0 and does not embed the sequence TC in the file. This was resolved by ensuring that Metadata was turned on.

    In version 2020, you could have Metadata in the Old Export Tab set to "None" and TC would still be embedded in the exports. Not sure if this is the same in 2022.2. I always had Metadata set to "None" as I didn't need it. Once I moved to the new Export Tab, I saw that Metadata was on by default when creating a new project. I turned it off and TC was not embedded. Once I turned it On and selected "Minimum Required" in the pull-down, all was good.

    I always had it off so I wouldn't get the .XMP file that would be created next to my exports. Plus, I don't do a lot of Captioning.

    Bob K.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    I'd like to add one more suggestion regarding Presets.

    In the old Export Tab (2022.2 and back), you would select an export preset, select Save Preset and you would get a dialog box that in it would be the text:
    Save copy of (preset name).
    Now you get a blank box.
    I've found the best results are to Delete the original preset and save a new one typing out the entire name again.

    Old Export Tab:
    1. Save Preset
    2. Delete "Save copy of" leaving name of preset.
    3. Save
    4. "Are you sure you want to overwrite?" Yes.
    Done.

    New Export Tab:
    1. Save Preset
    2. Using cell phone, take a pic of the preset window for naming accuracy.
    3. Retype name. (Many keyboard clicks)
    4. Now have duplicate presets.

    Better way with new Export Tab:
    1. Delete preset
    2. Save preset
    3. Refrence pic on phone
    4. Type in name of preset

    Bob K.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    Just an update on my timecode rant earlier:
    Versions 2021 and 2022 introduced a new item in the Metadata button of the Export Tab. I always had Metadata turned off as I would rarely export Captions in 2020. The new item is "Minimum Required". This was not available in 2020. Make sure that at least Metadata is turned on. That is what embeds the proper timecode.
    I didn't see this mentioned in the 2021 release notes. Captions now has it's own menu in the Export Tab and is no longer a part of Metadata.

    Bob K.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    OH MY GOD!!!!

    My Freelance gig has me exporting .wav files for different countries. No video.
    I'm supposed to sync various languages with an English speaking show and maintain the timecode from the show.

    I JUST DISCOVERED THAT EXPORTING AN AUDIO WAV FILE STARTS MY TIMECODE AT 00:00:00:00!!!
    WHAAAAATTT THE...!!!

    DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY FILES I HAVE TO REDO BECAUSE THE JOB REQUIRES MAINTAINING THE TIMECODE?! I AM SO SCREWED RIGHT NOW.

    I blame myself partly because I didn't check my first export. But REALLY!
    I was willing to continue with this new Export Tab, now I am FORCED to revert to 2022.2.

    I tried an experiment and loaded the 2022.3 project into 2022.2.
    It worked and all seems fine, but now my timecodes are saying they start at 00:59:41:12 Non-Drop Frame where my sequence is Drop Frame.
    So I can't even bring my project into 2022.2. I kind of expected that.
    Maybe my answer is to bring in my Exported files and re-export in 2022.2. If that doesn't work, it's back to 2020.

    Also, after an export in 2022.3, the Start TC in the sequence moves back 1 frame! Come on, PLEASE!
    I set the Start Time to 00;59;45;00 and after export I see the sequence says 00;59;44;29.

    Update:
    I just installed 2022.4 and it's the same behavior.
    Also, the Media Start column in the Bin still says my file starts at 0 timecode.

    I'm officially going back to 2022.2 right now.

    I really hope you fix this.
    Happy Friday the 13th.

    Bob K.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    Glad I'm not the only one. I just read most of the comments below and they are dead on. I'm not really adding much to what's already been mentioned. It just feels better having my disappointment in writing.

    I've posted these "ideas" personally, but since the topic seems to be getting attention here, I'd like to add my 2 cents.

    The best thing I like about the new version is not having to scroll to the top of the old preset window to access my custom presets.

    The changes I don't like are that the Export button is now the default. In the old version (when I had multiple exports) I'd just hit the Enter Key on the numeric keypad and it would go straight to ME. Now I'm clicking "Send To ME" a LOT. I've requested a Preference toggle to be able to select which button is on by default.

    When exporting in the old version, you would have the opportunity to name the file in the "Select Folder" window. The Quick Export button has it! I just can't go to ME with Quick Export. I'd like that ability back in the new version please. If my filename is too long for the new window, I have to click in it and scroll around or hit the "End" button on the keyboard to modify the name. Very cumbersome.
    Quick note: I just discovered that you can resize the Settings Window and make the File Name dialog box wider. Unfortunately, it doesn't "stick". You need to resize the window every time you open Export.

    Finally, just a comment if you don't mind:
    It seems to me that Adobe is trying to "Dumb Down" the software and I say that in the most respectful way possible. I understand wanting to make the software easier to use and more accessible to the masses. It even seems like you're slowly eliminating Keyboard Shortcuts like Ctl-M for export by adding the Export Tab. BTW, Ctl-M is still faster. Things like creating "Fast Export" for Social Media and such, I get it. As a Pro user who makes his entire living with Adobe, adding clicks with the mouse makes me less efficient. We try to do everything we can to become more efficient to make ourselves more valuable to our bosses and clients.
    Anyway, I'm sure you're aware of all that. If you're going to keep the new Export Tab design, the two suggestions I mentioned above will help significantly. If they can't be written into the code, then I'd suggest leaving the new version for Premiere Elements and give us something closer to the old version in Premiere Pro.

    Thanks for your time,
    Rob K.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    Hi M.D.

    I get it. So as not to go off topic here, I've used Vegas since Sony Vegas 6 on and off as a hobby.

    Professionally, I've used Avid Symphony, Avid DS, FCP7 and now Premiere.

    To get back on topic, I took another look at Vegas because one of my duties is to slow foreign language stereo audio clips by 4.27% to be able to sync with 23.976 video files. Vegas uses something similar to the Rate Stretch Tool in Premiere. The difference is, the Vegas method works. Rate Stretch is great for Video and maybe Mono files. Not good for Stereo audio files.

    When 2022.3 was released is when the Export Tab changed. To slow the audio files, I use the Time Tuner Effect in the Export Tab. It's fast, accurate, reliable and maintains pitch. For me, the Time Tune Effect is my "bread and butter" with my second job. It is critical to my being able to get the job done.

    The "updated" Export Tab broke the Time Tuner effect where I can only enter whole numbers. No decimals. So, I started a topic here:
    https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/45035503-2022-3-time-tuner-devastating-change

    Here is the last reply I received:

    "Larry Sullivan commented · April 26, 2022 19:53 · Flag as inappropriate

    Hi Bob, we have this logged and are working on it, sorry for the inconvenience. As a workaround until it's fixed please use Time Tuner in AME."

    That was over 2 months ago. Fortunately, I was able to import an old preset. The % Duration Change displayed as: -4.269999999999999... percent, but it worked.
    Believe it or not, I have another project that needed to have the audio files slowed only .1%. It's not much, but it made my job much easier. Can't do that in the new Export Tab. I managed to import another old preset. Ultimately I recreated the presets in Media Encoder and that worked as well.

    I see Resolve in my future, but I'd like to know how it does slowing .wav files by 4.27%.

    Rob K.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    Good Morning, Larry!

    Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
    I didn't actually export a file, but AME gives me EXACTLY what I need!
    You saved my life!
    Nice way to start my day. Awesome!

    Looking forward to seeing it again in Premiere.

    Take care and be well.
    Bob K.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    Hi Folks,

    I realize that the 2022.3.1 update was to fix an Export issue and is not addressing the Time Tuner at all (I checked), but I'm really glad that Adobe is turning out fixes so quickly even with NAB happening this week. I also realize that there are probably not a great number of users using this feature, but I'm really begging you to take another look at adding back 100's of a percent to the percent change box.

    If someone could provide another method for slowing down audio files by 4.27% that maintain pitch and is accurate to the frame (at least), I'm all ears.

    If someone from Adobe would like a screen sharing session for a demo, please reach out.

    Can I at least get an Adobe Employee to confirm that this is at least being read? I can't tell you how important this is to me. Worst case is to wait for 2023 version and install 2022.2 beside it.

    Thanks Adobe for all your work.
    Bob K.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    Just a quick follow-up:
    Rate Stretch tool "works", but is not as accurate. Slow down the file to 95.9 and select "Maintain Pitch" button phases the audio. Deselect "Maintain Pitch" and the audio sounds fine except for the obvious slight drop in Pitch.
    Lastly, tried "Time & Pitch" with iZotope setting in Audition. Was accurate enough, sounded great. But took 16 minutes to render and export. Sorry, but I don't have that kind of time.
    I used the preset created in a previous version and I didn't change the percentage of 4.269999999999996. It worked just fine.

    Please, please, please take another look at the Time Tuner tab in the Export tab and give me back 100's of a percent (4.27%).

    Bob K.

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    Hi Antoine and Nic,

    2022.3 currently defaults to Export instead of Queue.

    There is now a redesigned Export Tab that is always present.
    It's great to have your favorite presets readily available and easy to get to without having to scroll to the top of the Preset Window. Unfortunately it does have some bugs that need attention:

    If you have a filename that is longer than what the File Name window shows and want to edit the name or append it, you have to hit the "End" button on your keyboard or Right Arrow to the end to edit the name as the entire name is not visible. It's a little "cumbersome". In previous versions you would select "Location" and when the window opened, you had the ability to edit the name of the file as well. Now "Location" and "File Name" are two separate entities.

    The Time Tuner Effect only allows Whole Numbers. You can not enter decimals as in previous versions. I've reported this. UPDATE: I have received a reply and was told it is being addressed and to use Media Encoder's Time Tuner for now. It works.

    If you need to do an export with more than 6 channels of audio, you can not scroll through the Streams in the Audio Channel Config window. I've reported this and Adobe has reported it as a Bug. UPDATE: This has been addressed in 2022.3.1. You can scroll through the channels after selecting a channel with the mouse and then using the Up/Down arrow keys. As of now, you can not scroll with the wheel on a mouse and a scroll bar is not present.

    Bob K.

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    Well? I'd like to thank Adobe for fixing this in 2022.3 (April 2022 Release).
    I had commented earlier requesting a preference button to be able to select either Queue or Export as the default. When I posted my comment, my workflow was just exporting one file at a time. So, I didn't need "Queue" set as my default. So for that type of work, I am grateful!

    I have another job where I set up multiple files for export and could really use the "Queue" button as my default. <sigh>

    So please, if at all possible with the new Export Tab in 2022.3, could you please consider a default selection button for either "Queue" or "Export"?

    Thank you,
    Bob K.

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    I would at least like a preference setting to determine "Queue" or "Export" in the Media Export page. I edit many short promos. It's an extra mouse click to select "Export". The actual export takes about 3 to 5 seconds for a :30 spot. Multiply that mouse click by the number of spots I do and it adds up to a lot of clicks instead of just hitting return. Thanks for your consideration. Bob K.

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    Hi. I just wanted to post a quick update.
    The "Browse" button does work, but after selecting the folder, the path in the dialog box doesn't update. I can then select the path from the pulldown menu and that updates the save path. No manual typing is necessary unless you want to change the name of the file itself.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    Hi Auden.
    I just posted this on the link you provided and hope this helps a little:

    The problem with "work arounds" is that it just takes longer to get something done that should work on its own.

    The only thing I can think of is: Once you get your audio synced to where you want it, turn off Show Audio Time Units, mark an In and Out at the Head and Tail of the video clip and either export a new audio file or the Video and Audio creating a new clip. Personally I think I'd go for exporting audio only. It's faster and creates smaller files. It's a real "PITA", but that's what most work arounds are unfortunately.

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    Hi Antoine.
    I usually receive Video Files that have a frame rate of 23.976.
    More times than not, the audio language files I receive are created at 25 fps and they usually are shorter (run faster) than the video file I need to sync to.
    After much experimenting with the Rate Stretch Tool (which would be ideal), Adobe Audition (much too slow rendering) and the Time Tuner in the Export Panel, -4.27% hits the mark nearly dead on down to the sample.

    It could also be the way the language files are being created. I've never inquired as to why the duration mismatch, but they come from multiple sources around the globe and this workflow is very consistent.

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    Hi Fishman,

    Apparently there are a number of folks posting the same issue. I too am included. I've been answering where I can. After speaking with an Adobe Rep on 12/8/2020, the fix is to create a New Project (I'm on 14.7 now) and then CTL-I (Import) the Entire Old Project file. It worked for me. It just creates another project with respective folders. I'm not sure if this works in 14.6. I've seen one person say it didn't. Adobe is planning a fix for 14.8.

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    Robert Keuler commented  · 

    Hi Brian,

    Apparently there are a number of folks posting the same issue. I too am included. I've been answering where I can. After speaking with an Adobe Rep on 12/8/2020, the fix is to create a New Project (I'm on 14.7 now) and then CTL-I (Import) the Entire Old Project file. It worked for me. It just creates another project with respective folders. I'm not sure if this works in 14.6. I've seen one person say it didn't. Adobe is planning a fix for 14.8.

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