AdminDacia Saenz
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An error occurred while saving the comment An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Max,
That is so incredibly frustrating. Was there a crash report generated after the app failed?
It looks like the Mogrt from Envato that you linked is a Media Replacement Mogrt. If so, what kind of footage are you dropping into the Essential Graphics Panel?
Would you be able to share the project or a video capture of what of the failure so we can try and reproduce the problem?
It would also be super helpful to know what version of Premiere you're using and your system specs.
Thanks,
DaciaAn error occurred while saving the comment Hi Nastacia,
Can you share what version of Premiere you're using and your system specs please?
Mogrts can be slow for a multitude of reasons-- expression-heavy comps, 3D layers, lots of render-intensive effects, etc. Envato is a third-party marketplace so it's hard for us to know exactly what is wrong with your specific Mogrts without being able to open them up and see what the slowdown could be due to. I'll email you directly if you want to share them.
There are also ways to optimize them to make them more nimble. One thing you can do is open them up in AE and run the new Composition Profiler on them. This will show you what layers are taking the most time to render.
To open a Mogrt natively in AE:
1. Launch AE
2. Use File > Open
3. Select the Mogrt file
4. Follow the dialog that pops up and asks you what folder you want top extract the project to
and boom you've got the .aep
Every Mogrt has the related .aep insideOnce you have the .aep opened in AE, click on the small icon at the bottom left of the app. This will show you what layers are the most "expensive" render-wise and you may want to replace some of these layers with pre-rendered files if there isn't anything in them that will change in Premiere.
https://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/adobe-after-effects-tool-composition-profiler/
Another way that performance can be impacted negatively is when there are too many versions of a design crammed into the same Mogrt. If each version is relying on a ton of expressions (which they often are) to make them responsive to changes, then all of the expressions in all of the variations of the design are being run by AE... even the ones that aren't visible. That can really slow things down. Re-exporting these versions as individual Mogrts can be very helpful to boost performance as well.
The other thing about Mogrts behaving well in Premiere is that they typically need to be Pre-Rendered (I use Render Selection after making my desired edits), in order to see a smooth playback. Giving the AE inside of PR the ability to render and cache the animations before hitting playback is simply a limitation of the way AE and Premiere communicate those value changes and the resulting frames.
We are hoping to bring Multi-Frame Rendering to the version of AE inside of Premiere soon. Fingers crossed that will help with performance as well.
In the meantime, the best thing is to see if it's possible to optimize the Mogrts. I'll email you directly now and see what we can glean from cracking open the files.
Thanks,
DaciaAn error occurred while saving the comment Awesome! Thank you Marc 🙏🏽
I will email you directly.
An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Marc and Mod-AP,
I'm sorry to hear that you're experiencing this and I would really love to help. I've been replying to users who are complaining about this issue for while, and no one will share any of their files or reply back. This makes it incredibly difficult to narrow down what might be the cause of the slow down.
Mogrts can be slow for a multitude of reasons-- expression-heavy comps, lots of render-intensive effects, etc. There are also ways to optimize them to make them more nimble.
It sounds like the Mogrts you are working with were performing better in previous releases?
Can you please share what version your Mogrts were performing well in, what version they started slowing down?It's also way easier to help repro a potential bug or help give guidance on how to optimize your Mogrts if I can check them out myself. If you could share them with me that would be super helpful.
I need some help to try and help. So, if you could please send me a few of your simple mogrts, and maybe if you're up to it, a screen recording of what you're experiencing, we can have something to go on, and get to the bottom of things.
Will you be the gem that gets back to me finally?
I hope so!
Thanks,
DaciaAn error occurred while saving the comment Hi Glenn,
I've been replying to users who are complaining about this issue for while, and no one will share any of their files or reply back. This makes it incredibly difficult to narrow down what might be the cause of the slow down.
Mogrts can be slow for a multitude of reasons-- expression-heavy comps, lots of render-intensive effects, etc. There are also ways to optimize them to make them more nimble.
It sounds like the Mogrts you are working with were performing better in previous releases?
Can you please share what version your Mogrts were performing well in, what version they started slowing down and your system specs please?It's also way easier to help repro a potential bug or help give guidance on how to optimize your Mogrts if I can check them out myself. If you could share them with me that would be super helpful.
I need some help to try and help. So, if you could please send me a few of your simple mogrts, your system specs, and maybe if you're up to it, a screen recording of what you're experiencing, we can have something to go on, and get to the bottom of things.
Will you be the gem that gets back to me finally?
I hope so!
Thanks,
DaciaAn error occurred while saving the comment Hi Aya,
I'm sorry you're experiencing that. Sharing your files will definitely help us diagnose what the issue might be. Can you please also let me know what version of Premiere Pro you're using and what your system specs are?
Thank you so much!
DaciaAn error occurred while saving the comment Hi Sophie,
Mogrts can be slow for a multitude of reasons-- expression-heavy comps, lots of render-intensive effects, etc. There are also ways to optimize them to make them more nimble.
It sounds like the Mogrts you are working with were performing better in previous releases?
Can you please share what version your Mogrts were performing well in, what version they started slowing down and your system specs please?It's also way easier to help repro a potential bug or help give guidance on how to optimize your Mogrts if I can check them out myself. If you could share them with me that would be super helpful as well.
Thanks,
DaciaAn error occurred while saving the comment Hi Dixon,
That sounds super frustrating. Would you be able to share the Mogrt via Dropbox or Google Drive?
Or if you can change the extension for the mogrt file to .zip, then attaching it will work. This forum doesn't allow .mogrt files to attach, unfortunately.Thanks,
DaciaAn error occurred while saving the comment Hi Joshua,
Would you be willing to share some of the Mogrts that are giving you grief? You mentioned that they are slow in the newest version of PR. What version are you on, and were these same Mogrts running smoothly on in older versions?
Thanks,
DaciaAn error occurred while saving the comment Hi Y'all,
Would y'all be willing to share some of the Mogrts that are painfully slow. There is a known lagtime between Premiere Pro and the Tiny Inception After Effects™️ inside of Premiere that can get bogged down when there are a ton of expressions, render-heavy effects, and anything 3D, but simple Mogrts shouldn't be slowing you down too excessively.
It would be super helpful to get some examples in-house and compare performance to older versions of Premiere as well. It is always possible that some gross bug has made it into newer versions and is mucking things up.
If you could also please share what version of PR you're using and system specs that would be rad!
I noticed the original poster, Dan is on Mac 10.13.6 which is a few versions back and may be contributing to the issues.Thanks so much,
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5 votes
An error occurred while saving the comment @Daan,
Are you on Windows? One other thing you may need to do is to change the location of the Motion Graphics Template Media folder closer to the root. You can change this in the Project settings. Windows has a 260-character limit for file path names and when the Mogrts get unpacked in this folder, there is a folder with a very long unique ID that gets created. This can really tip the file path over the limit for the Windows OS. Moving the folder closer to the root folder will usually resolve this.
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2 votes
An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Robert,
You have a couple of options to replace media in Media Replacement templates. You can drop media in from the Project Panel directly over the Media Replacement control in the Essential Graphics Panel. Then you can double-click the thumbnail which will open a hidden sequence where you can edit the clip as you wish, add effects, or change transform settings.
Another option you have is to set the In / Out points for the clip in the Source Monitor and drag it directly into the Media Replacement Control from there.
Hope this helps,
Dacia
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1 vote
An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Katchouscia,
Thank you for reporting this issue. You would normally have the option, but there is currently a bug with the font menu. I will update this channel as soon as the fix is available in Beta.
Thanks for your patience,
Dacia -
1 vote
An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Jason,
There are a couple of ways to replace the media even if some of the options are not available to you in the hamburger menu. (Although "Replace from Finder / Explorer" should always open a dialog where you can navigate to your file and make a selection).
You can target the thumbnail in the control and do any of the following:
1. Drag and drop your new media directly from Finder or Explorer
2. Drag and drop your imported media from the Project Panel
3. Drag and drop your trimmed media from the Source MonitorAnd if you expand the Media Replacement control your drop zone will be even bigger. See the attached screenshot.
Once your media is replaced, you can also double-click on the thumbnail to open the secret sequence for that particular Media Replacement control and add effects, trim, re-time, have more access to transform controls, or even cut a micro-sequence within the allotted time for that specific Media Replacement control.
Hope this is helpful and let me know if those things didn't work for you. Please send me links to the Stock Mogrts giving you trouble, what version of Premiere you're running, and what OS you're on.
Thanks so much,
Dacia -
15 votes
An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Rombout,
All Adobe fonts used in a project will auto-sync when the project is opened as long as the user is connected to the Internet. There was a brief outage in the system a few weeks ago, but otherwise has been working in public and Beta releases.
If the fonts are not a part of the Adobe Font collection or are proprietary in any way, then the font has to be installed manually on any new system to work.
When you open the project in AE, there should be a dialog that pops up to let you know if there are any Unresolvable Fonts (i.e. non-Adobe Fonts) in the project. Are you seeing this?
If not, what version of AE are you using and would you be able to share the project if you're not able to successfully sync Adobe Fonts?
Thanks,
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24 votes
The short answer is that AE doesn't naitvely export .mp4 files (h.264) so we can't create a video preview when the Mogrt is exported :(
So the real request here is to bring back native h.264 exports to AE.
An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Engelbert,
Unfortunately, .mp4 previews cannot be created when the mogrt is exported from AE at this time because h.264 is not currently an export option in AE itself.
There is an alternative, and its time-intensive, but you can export a preview of the AE Comp via AME, then unzip the .mogrt package and add the .mp4 to the zipped Mogrt package. The EGP in Premiere does support video previews.
Premiere Gal breaks it down here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD6BGcUmn2oHoping to have better news soon.
DaciaAn error occurred while saving the comment The short answer is that AE doesn't naitvely export .mp4 files (h.264) so we can't create a video preview at export :(
So the real request here is to bring back native h.264 exports back to AE.
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1 vote
An error occurred while saving the comment WOO HOO!!!
An error occurred while saving the comment No Problem!!
Now that we have that part clarified... I have great news for you! In the case that you don't want to go and change the AE design itself, you can do all kinds of fancy things in Premiere itself!
Simply double-click on the Media Replacement Thumbnail in the EGP in Premiere after you drop the new media in-- this will open up a hidden sequence where you can do anything you want in that sequence! You can add effects (I added Ultra Key in the example in the attached image), and you can retime! You can even make another edit with multiple clips in the time allowed by the "time container" of the MR Control. The danger stripes on the right in image 2 show you how much time you have to fill.
Hope this helps!!
An error occurred while saving the comment The image you shared shows that the Media Replacement layer starts at time 0:00.
That's why the footage you replace is starting at the beginning of the Mogrt.If you move the beginning (In-Point) of this layer to where you have your CTI, then the media in Premiere will begin at this point in time instead of at the beginning of the Mogrt.
Again, it can't be trimmed... it has to actually begin at a later point in the timeline. It should look like the image I shared that says "Real In-Point" and not have a faint layer color to the left of the CTI.
An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Stavros,
Is it possible that the Media Replacement Control layer is trimmed, meaning that the In-Point for the layer that was used to create the Media Replacement Control was moved and there is a faint hint of the layer color to the right like in the first image? Did you see a warning like the 3rd image attached here when you exported the Mogrt?
Trimmed layers are not supported and Premiere will consider the beginning of the original media the start for the replaced media.
If you move the real In-Point for the layer, then the off-set should work in Premiere when you replace the media.
Hope this helps,
Dacia -
4 votes
An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Kyung,
It's my understanding that time re-mapping and time expressions will not work as expected if you're using the Responsive Time functionality. The length of the track item in Premiere is not communicated back to the Tiny Inception AE™️ that lives in Premiere Pro.
My suggestion to use time expressions and controls like Evan Abrams shows in his tutorial would be used instead of Responsive Design Time. I would imagine you would need to make the Primary Comp the Max length that you think would be needed and then you would use the controls to set the durations for elements within the design. Lastly, you would cut the end of track item in the timeline if it was shorter than the Max length.
That's just a thought experiment though.
It's worth trying!An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Kyung!
Happy to hear that Mogrts are working for y'all! This is an interesting puzzle you bring up 🤔. Unfortunately the Responsive Time feature does affect everything uniformly. So there is no way to exclude a layer from its powers...
But I DO have a couple of work arounds in mind!
The first is to use a Media Replacement control for the looping footage!
If you drag and drop the layer of the looping footage itself into the EGP, it will create a Media Replacement control. Any image, video, or comp layer can create this control.This will keep the footage from retiming when you change the duration of the Mogrt itself in Premiere. It essentially makes the "time container" that the footage needs to fill longer so you may need to use a longer clip so that it can "fill" the longer time of the stretched Mogrt.
This runs the risk of making your Mogrt bigger in size, so alternatively, you can just replace that media in Premiere.
You simply drag and drop your footage over the Media Replacement control in Premiere and it will swap out the footage in the Mogrt.
Double-click on the MR control in the EGP once you've added new media to bring up a hidden timeline where you can add effects, add more footage, or whatever you want.
Nothing gets re-timed with that footage unless you actively replace the media and open up that secret timeline.Here's some more info about the feature: https://www.schoolofmotion.com/blog/mogrtmadness
Alternatively, you can make ditch Responsive Time and make Time controls for specific elements in your project. This is a pretty good tutorial from Evan Abrams that shows you how to do this.
https://evanabrams.com/control-time-in-templates-adobe-after-effects-tutorial/Its more tedious to set up but the advantage is that it will give you more detailed control over timing of specific elements in your Mogrt instead of having one re-time hammer for the whole design.
I hope this is helpful!
Cheers,
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An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Puneet,
That sounds really frustrating! The easiest way to help is to have access to the Mogrt itself and to see a screen recording of you going through the steps just in case there are any clues to gather.
Is this Mogrt stored in the cloud by chance?
Is it possible that this is a Dynamic Link Mogrt? When you export a Mogrt from AE, there is an option that says "Warn me if AE needs to be installed in order to customize this template." Please check this and try to re-export.
If you get a warning that says this Mogrt requires Dynamic Link to run, then the next test is to see if you can successfully import a regular AE comp (from an .aep) via Dynamic Link.We've had some issues with stale versions of Dynamic Link manager staying open and blocking workflows. I'm hoping this is the reason why sometimes you're seeing a successful application of the Mogrt and sometimes you're not.
I'll email you now as well so you can share your files with me of you can 🙏🏽.
Thanks,
Dacia -
25 votes
An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Mark,
A little bit of context for why this happens... Keyframed properties that get added to the Essential Graphics Panel as a control, lose their animation on export to Mogrtland because the control can only represent 1 value at a time. Keyframed properties by nature have multiple values so it’s not technically possible for that 1 control to change values over time.
The control in PR can only tell Tiny Inception AE (nested inside Premiere Pro to make Mogrts work) “make this Opacity 60” ... it can’t tell Tiny Inception AE, “make the opacity go from 20 - 60 in 3 seconds from time 1 to time 4.”A couple of ways that you can use as a sort of workaround is to use would be to use Responsive Design Time or create some time-related controls to give you the power to tweak the timing of your animations in PR.
There is a feature called Responsive Design - Time which allows you to change the overall timing of a Mogrt by creating Protected Regions at certain points in the Primary comp. If you want to be able to fine-tune the animation in Premiere, then setting the Protected Regions around the parts of the comp that are static will allow the timing to be squashed or stretched in the animated parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_mHxwJeAuYOr if you want to be able to control the timing of certain elements in your Mogrt (i.e. hook up sliders to individual keyframes), then EC Abrams tutorial on using expressions for time is a must watch!
Control Time in Templates - Adobe After Effects tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i69oa0EeJ3AHope this helps!
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An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Clint,
I just did a quick test and I'm not able to repro the issue in-house. Are you running in GPU-mode or software-mode?
Would you be able to share a screen recording of what you're seeing and a project?
Thanks,
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An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Bernice,
Those are definitely some big differences in render outputs. 😳
Can you tell me more about the graphics you’re using?
We’re they made natively in PR or are they from AE Mogrts?
Are you exporting directly out of PR or queuing to AME?Would you mind installing the latest Beta version of Premiere Pro? It’s available from the Creative Cloud Desktop App and is a standalone app so it won’t un-install the release version of PR. There was a fix to Media Core that may resolve this for you.
Lastly, would you be able to share the files that you’re seeing this issue with so that we can try and repro in-house?
Thanks,
Dacia -
1 vote
An error occurred while saving the comment Mogrts can be exported to CC Libraries from AE, and can be added to Libraries in Premiere as Jonas mentions, but Mogrts cannot be used natively in After Effects. That's why you'll see them greyed out in the Libraries panel in AE.
There is a workaround to open / unzip them in AE if you have the .mogrt file itself.
1. Launch AE
2. Use File > Open
3. Select the Mogrt file
4. Follow the dialog that pops up and asks you what folder you want top extract the project to
and boom you've got the .aep
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An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Diego,
Sorry to hear you're seeing these inconsistencies. Would you mind sharing what version of AE you're using? We fixed a bunch of bugs related to Thai characters in the last few releases.
If you wouldn't mind downloading the Beta version of AE from Creative Cloud Desktop app, I'd be super curious if you are still seeing these issues.
We have created a new Unified Text Engine that is available in Beta which no longer requires users to have to change the Text Engine in the preferences ("south asian and middle eastern" text engine"). Now all layers support all scripts.
Please let me know if your results improve.
Thanks,
Dacia -
1 vote
An error occurred while saving the comment Thanks for the Feature Request, Craig.
There are current limitations to the way Premiere and Tiny Inception AE™️, which powers and renders Media Replacement Mogrts in Premiere, communicate frames. This is why Time-Remapping and Time effects are not currently supported with Media Replacement.
Staggering the true In-Points of the layers used as Media Replacement controls is supported though. It should be noted that a Trimmed video layer does not represent the true In-Point of that layer though.
Thanks for the feedback,
Dacia -
39 votes
The fix for this bug can be found in Beta build 22.0 × 144 or after. If no issues new issues are reported, the fix will be in the next shipping version of Premiere.
Thanks for your patience.
An error occurred while saving the comment The bug is fixed in the latest release of Premiere Pro 22.0.
Apologies for the frustrating issue.
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1 vote
An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Matt,
Thanks for your request and agreed!! There is a way to cheat this a little bit in Mogrts using the Media Replacement workflow, but it would be limited to a selected blendmode.
Media Replacement allows you to create an Essential Property control from an image, video, .psd, or .ai layer in AE. Using this control in Premiere allows you to them drop new media into the control in the EGP and have that media render via the Mogrt, i.e. all blendmodes and effects in the Mogrt will be applied to that new media. Here's a few images of a Media Replacement mogrt that I built with a blendmode on the shape layer. I combined other controls like the Fill Color to change the look of that blendmode as it relates to the new media in Premiere.
You can't change the blendmode once you're in Premiere, but you could have a couple of versions if you needed it.
Here's a rad tutorial from the incomparable, EC Abrams on the feature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AVqpj6kGDYThanks again for the feature request!
Dacia -
1 vote
An error occurred while saving the comment Thanks for reporting this, Nic... also HI!!!!
I'm not seeing a repro on Mac or Win with the latest Beta builds. I'm relinking to cloud-based files on Mac and local on Win.
Would you mind installing the latest Beta and seeing if you can reproduce the issue? I'm hoping that it's been fixed since 15.4.1 but also worried that it's a bug lurking under certain conditions.
Thanks,
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An error occurred while saving the comment Hi Frédéric,
Thanks for the request.
Do you want the script to change the duration of the Primary comp that the layer the Media Replacement control is created from is in, like I decide to use a 10-second clip instead of a 5-second clip and I want that to change the comp settings?
Or do you want to change the duration of the comp that is created when you use Media Replacement in an Essential Properties workflow, and change the media via Essential Properties in the timeline?
Thanks,
Dacia
Hi Ryan,
That would be great. Let me send you an email.
Cheers,
Dacia