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    67 comments  ·  Premiere Pro » Closed Captions  ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →

    This is not a bug, it’s as designed. We specifically limit the visibility to one track at a time to avoid accidentally burning in multiple tracks. Also, when exporting to a format that only supports one captions stream like SRT or STL, we need to know which is the active track in order to export the correct track.

    But I understand why you might need two tracks visible at the same time.

    Multiple speakers:
    If we could automatically identify speakers and designate a style associated with them, would that help? For example speaker 1 is blue and on the left, speaker 2 is yellow and on the right?

    Multiple languages:
    Do you ever need to burn in both at the same time or is it just a matter of being able to see both to aid in translation and alignment?

    Thanks for the feedback, we really are listening :)

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    John Haviland commented  · 

    Sorry, I should have looked at my own logs. Here is the link to Stan Jones' post on the subject of nesting:
    https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro/faq-workaround-nesting-to-apply-effect-controls-to-caption-track/td-p/11935335

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    John Haviland commented  · 

    Briefly, I will just remind others who continue (rightly) to complain about the recent versions of Premiere having crippled the ability to add multiple simultaneous captioning tracks, that the "nesting" technique Danny mentions below can still be used as a workaround, and it does allow you to set up multiple simultaneous caption tracks in the most logical way (i.e., all together)--hopefully meaning that when Adobe finally makes up its mind to restore this functionality (as I should have thought they would have done months ago) the projects in question should work correctly. It might be useful for Danny, or whoever originally figured out the workaround, to post slightly more transparent instructions on how to use "nesting" in series to achieve the desired results. I had to go back to the drawing board to work it out for myself, and someone may have come up with a slightly less awkward solution than the procedure I have adopted. One of my own desiderate was, hopefully, to try to keep my original project files "forward compatible"--i.e., in a form where some ultimate resolution of the Adobe-induced limitation to "one-caption line-at-a-time" burning will still be able to read the project file.

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    John Haviland commented  · 

    I can understand why Adobe might have reduced the earlier capacity to enable multiple simultaneous caption tracks, thinking about the most common captioning applications. But, as has been written elsewhere by others, there are good reasons to RETAIN the ability (which is surely already present in the overall program design) to enable multiple caption tracks, perhaps as suggested by Pierre below, with a special key combination to force enabling multiple tracks as needed. The applications mentioned--mutiple language subtitles on one screen, or multiple participants needing subtitles with different formats or in different screen locations--are obviously important and necessary for some applications. Other uses include other sorts of notations on video (which can currently only be handled with the legacy title functions). But most important for those of us who use premiere to prepare videos for analysis of conversation and interaction is teh ability often to have carefully synchronized captions, linked to multiple participants, some of whom frequently OVERLAP one another in time. This can only be handled, I believe, with the easy fix being proposed here.

    The idea of having an automatic feature to recognize different speakers and caption them in different styles is attractive, but, I think, a bit of a pipe dream at the moment, for two reasons. First, the speech recognition currently available just doesn't do an accurate enough job with captions, sometimes with at best) laughable results--although I am not one of the people enabled to try out the current beta versions for Premiere. Second, even if it did work well enough for some purposes in, say, English, there are many languages out there that need to be captioned which simply offer no such voice recognition options (and won't for some time to come).

    So, finally, I vote strongly for RESTORING the ability to have (at least as a non-default option) multiple visible captions simultaneously, using the new improved caption workflow. The "nesting" workaround that Danny mentions does work, and that is what I have been using recently, but it is awkward and unnecessarily cumbersome when all the work required to achieve the desired result already has to be done first, and teh nesting trick must be resorted to wimply to render the desired result, in several steps.

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