Put red in the center of Lumetri curves, not cyan. That would make it easier to adjust skin tones.
For the Lumetri Color Effect’s curves controls (Hue vs Sat, Hue vs Hue, and Hue vs Luma), cyan is in the center, while red is on the far left and right sides. This is inconvenient, because most users will probably want to adjust skin tones more than anything else, and skin tones are almost always somewhere in the reds and yellows. Therefore, I propose that red be in the center by default, while cyan is on the edges.
NOTE: Because a horizontal scroll bar is already available, it is possible for the user to essentially do this themselves... but because skin tones are the most common thing I adjust, I find that I have to manually scroll that bar all the way to the left or right, 80% of the time I use these controls. So it would definitely be less hassle (for me) if red was already in the center.
There may be a good reason to have cyan in the middle, but I can't think of it.
thanks for the productive conversation and all the fantastic feedback. Also wanted to take a moment to thank those of you who took the beta out for a test drive, that’s tremendously helpful for us in making sure we’re hitting the mark with these feature improvements.
15.0 is officially available as of last week and it includes this feature update. As it is a major version update, be sure to check out the full list of what’s new before making the move.
Thank you for fixing this in the Beta (v15.0)!
Big new features are nice, but in most cases I think Pr users would prefer dozens of little fixes like this one vs a big new feature they might never use. For example, Scene Edit Detection is a great feature, without a doubt.... for those that actually need it. It's a niche tool relatively few editors will ever use. An overwhelmingly larger number of editors stand to benefit from this recent fix in the Lumetri panel. Both are worthy additions to Pr, but when setting development priorities, please consider dedicating the same resources that can solve 1 niche need to solving dozens of smaller, easily solved issues that would help lots of people. Once the bulk of the little stuff like the FR that was just fixed gets due attention, then by all means focus on the bigger niche tools. :)
Thanks again for listening and fixing this!
Eugene Afanasiev commented
Cool! Already in the latest beta!
Anna Lena Isaksson commented
Yes! I find myself often scrolling to the reds.
I also wish for a closeup toggle somewhere in curves. If i put points close to each other it's almost impossible to chose the correct one. It's quite tiny and has no real indicators of how much or how little I have dragged a point. (I know i can switch to effects control panel and see details there).
Simply create a Lumetri preset in which you move the scroll bar for each curve all the way to the left. Bingo! You've got curves with reds in the middle.
Now, after you finish sorting through your footage, apply your Lumetri preset to all clips in your Timeline. Your preset will automatically be the instance of Lumetri that gets edited whenever you make color changes to a clip.
Applying the Lumetri preset to all clips is an extra step, and works best if no prior color grading has been done on any of the clips, but it's a decent workaround for now.
As always, your observations are 100% on point Taran! Can we start a petition for Adobe to hire you to lead the Pr team? ;)
Oh, and while I'm at it... I think it'd be quite useful to have diagonal background lines that indicate where to put the curve if you wish to maintain the same hue. The existing vertical lines don't seem to be very useful. If they were made to be diagonal instead, they would be useful.
Or, we could use colors. I already made an example "cheat sheet" for this video, https://youtu.be/cdMhHtRJmgc?t=31 which I've attached.
*If* that colorful overlay is added, I'm not sure if it should be optional or not. Seems too small a thing to make optional, though.
Let the record show that *I no longer think that red in the center should be Premiere's default behavior.* It should be OPTIONAL, and OFF BY DEFAULT.
Francis Crossman's explanation makes sense - the hues are laid out in order of frequency, like a rainbow. ROYGBIV. This makes all the hues easy to find, as this is usually the way colors are presented.
Red in the center is best for manipulating skin tones, but what if your video footage has no humans in it? I'd certainly prefer the current layout (red on the edges) for all other color correction work.
I really can't say with any authority how common it is to be color correcting skin tones, versus color correcting anything else. And this will definitely vary based on the user.
So instead of putting red in the middle for ALL users by default, I really think there should just be a little check box somewhere in the preferences that says something like:
☐ Lumetri curves, red in center.
This box should be unchecked by default.
Checking the box will move red to the center and cyan to the edges, but it should NOT change the position of the scroll bar. (As shown in "RED in the center by default would be preferable.png".) I like how I can currently choose to scroll one way or the other, and it would be frustrating to only be able to scroll one direction because the bar is already stuck on one side.
I also really like Andrew's idea of using a middle click + drag to do horizontal scrolling, rather than the scroll bar being the only method.
I would add that this method should NOT be limited by the scroll bar's current position. That is, if you drag "too far" to the left, such that the scroll bar hits the left-most side, rather than stopping you, the scroll bar would simply teleport to the far right side, and continue moving left as needed. This is a hue circle, after all.
Basically, all of this is to get the scroll bar out of the way so that the editor doesn't have to think about it very much. It should be an assistance, not be a hinderance.
Shalev Haham commented
First step to make lumetri better that davinci resolve color correction tool.
next up is node based lumetri. (in 2050, not now)
Matthew DurbanJackson commented
YES! or be able to scroll!!!
YES YES YES!!!!! I thought about this exact thing too. This is something that should be so easy for Adobe to fix! But... will they? In all honesty, if Adobe had any decent quality control, they wouldn't ***** things up like this all the time. The fact that the reds should be in the middle became self evident to me in the first few times I used the Lumetri panel.
Another great idea from the master Taran.. While we're at it, can you make the middle mouse button (scroll wheel click) be able to drag the curve left & right? So much quicker than reaching for the scroll bar.
If you can add snapping in the curves that would be SO helpful. E.g. hold Shift to snap the point to the center.
Imsety Taylor commented
Makes sense to me.
George Vella commented
I agree with TaranVH.As a hobbyist film maker this Lumetri Colour behaviour always slows me down. Adobe, you really need to start to consider a lot of suggestions that professional long time Video editors reccomend. Taran VH has a whole list that you haven't even considered that would make edting way better!
Yeowool Suh commented
Yeah, i'm pretty sure there are more times adjusting skin tones in Premiere than anything that's in Cyan.
This is a really good and simple idea. Also, I can answer the question of why cyan is in the middle. Hue is measured in degrees. We start with Red at 0° then go on around the circle (Red, Yellow, Green, Cyan, Blue, Magenta, Red) we end with Red again at 360°. Cyan is in the middle at 180°. That's the only reason it's in the center on the curves. But the problem you mention of adjusting skin tone most often is exactly why we put the horizontal scroll bar in there – so you can recenter the scale to wherever you'd like. Skin-tone is actually more orange, not red but I think we could simply set the default horizontal scroll to a value that places red in the center.
Adam Bowles commented
You know you can scroll in the curves?
Mitchell Harris commented
I do not advocate for "obedience without question."
Konrad Zinner commented
I think that I wouldn't be able to find a project where I didn't move that Hue vs Hue panel...
Please let us at least enable or save a standard-setting.