Issues with Responsive templates from After Effects in Premiere
I put together a new workflow for some videos that needed quick editing, creating time responsive templates in After Effects and then importing them into Premiere. That allowed me to create the animations needed, and then just make text and colour changes in Premiere. It was a good workflow especially since we had several people working on this project and I needed to insure animation consistency.
Once in Premiere, the templates were working as intended, where we could "stretch" them to fit the timings we needed. So if a template was originally 30 seconds long, but we needed it to be 1 minute long, due to using responsive time in After Effects, we could stretch them in Premiere to be 1 minute long.
However, once we save and reopened the files, things changed. Sometimes Premiere "remembered" that the templates had been stretched. Sometimes it didn't, so the transitions ended earlier than anticipated. We just couldn't figure out why that happened, and we wound up having to replace the templates many times over, and eventually we had to rebuild entire videos.
What's more, we used different colour labels for different parts of the video and Premiere would forget them.
This happened across the board, not just to one user.
Needless to say, we were very disappointed with this feature because it made the project 3 times as long. We wasted a lot of time, and none of this time was billable, because it was down to technical issues out of our control or the client's control.
Those same templates we imported into Premiere worked just fine in After Effects. We came to the conclusion that the issue had something to do with Dynamic Link.
Elisabetta
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Hi All!
I’m thrilled to finally be able to announce that the Premiere Pro v. 14.0.1 that was released last night has new functionality to help resolve issues that happen when the retiming of a Responsive Time Mogrt gets out of whack.
We’ve added a new function called “Reset Duration” in the Graphics top bar menu, which will use the length of the track item in the timeline as the single source of truth for how long the Mogrt should be retimed to. So if anything ends too early all you have to do is select the Mogrt in the timeline, use the Reset Duration command in the top bar Graphics menu, and voila!
This will also work with multiple selections at a time.
No more manual re-trimming or redundant work.
The primary source of the issue stems from relinking to the Mogrt’s aegraphic file in the Motion Graphics Template Media folder. Having multiple projects pointing to the same root aegraphic or moving the project around and relinking to a different version of the same Mogrt can also get users into this state.
Hopefully this will help resolve some of the headaches that y’all have been experiencing. We tested a ton of scenarios, but you creative powerhouses work in a plethora of amazing ways that we cannot always predict. Please feel free to reach out if anything weird continues.
Hope everyone’s New Year is off to a great start,
Dacia
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Hi All!
I'm thrilled to finally be able to announce that the Premiere Pro v. 14.0.1 that was released last night has new functionality to help resolve issues that happen when the retiming of a Responsive Time Mogrt gets out of whack.
We've added a new function called “Reset Duration” in the Graphics top bar menu, which will use the length of the track item in the timeline as the single source of truth for how long the Mogrt should be retimed to. So if anything ends too early all you have to do is select the Mogrt in the timeline, use the Reset Duration command in the top bar Graphics menu, and voila!
This will also work with multiple selections at a time.
No more manual re-trimming or redundant work.The primary source of the issue stems from relinking to the Mogrt's aegraphic file in the Motion Graphics Template Media folder. Having multiple projects pointing to the same root aegraphic or moving the project around and relinking to a different version of the same Mogrt can also get users into this state.
Hopefully this will help resolve some of the headaches that y'all have been experiencing. We tested a ton of scenarios, but you creative powerhouses work in a plethora of amazing ways that we cannot always predict. Please feel free to reach out if anything weird continues.
Hope everyone's New Year is off to a great start,
Dacia -
Just want to clarify that I received Elisabetta's project files and worked with her over the course of a few months to try and reproduce the issue with no luck. I did communicate this with Elisabetta.
The good news is that thanks to the insights from another user who posted a similar issue on this thread https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/38544070-mogrt-responsive-design-time-bug we finally have a reproducible case in-house that developers can investigate.
The bug is now officially filed and are investigating a fix.
Thanks for all your patience y’all. I know this is a pain point for many of you and I will update the channel as soon as I can publicly announce the fix.P.s. Thanks for your awesome project full of cats Elisabetta. I'm sorry we couldn't get your project to show the bug in our time working together.
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Elisabetta
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Just to note that I posted this bug on May 20. I was contacted by email, I gave all the information and files needed to reproduce the problem but I received no help.
Nothing was addressed or fixed by Adobe.
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Elisabetta
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Hi Dacia,
Thanks for contacting me and I received your email. It is well appreciated, thank you very much!
To clarify a few things:
- All of us have After Effects installed, as well as Media Encoder (if it helps to know this)
- I created the templates on my with After Effects PC, using various Essential Graphics features, then saved them to a CC library which I then shared
- The actual Premiere files were saved in Google Drive's G-Suite, but they were all synced and accessible offline (meaning that G-Suite makes a local copy and then syncs once you are done with the file)
- I use a PC, my colleagues use Macs
- My colleagues and I would put together the video using the Mogrts from the CC library
Let's chat through email as I can't share certain video files here and so on.
Thanks again for reaching out!
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Hi Elisabetta,
That sounds so frustrating. Apologies for all the added headaches that were introduced in your workflow. I'd love to help get to the root issue and am emailing you directly now.
It would be helpful to get an example of one of the project files that kept forgetting the re-timed AE Mogrts as well as a few examples of the Mogrts that you created.
Most Mogrts created in AE at this point are rendered by a Tiny Inception version of AE that lives inside of PR. There are several effects and elements that might require AE to be installed though, these are rendered via Dynamic Link.The thing that is strange about all of this though is that it sounds like PR is failing to save several things within your project -- like your color labels. Where y'all moving the project around several computers? If so, where you using Project Manager to collect all of the dependencies?
Thanks for bringing this to our attention and apologies again,
Dacia