Keyboard Shortcuts for Guides only work when the Program panel has focus
Loving the new Guides feature and have a set a keyboard shortcut so I can hide/show the guides. I normally want to do this when editing in the timeline and the guides are in the way but currently if I use the shortcut now nothing happens. I have to switch focus to the program panel, do the shortcut and then switch focus back to the timeline. Not quite the quick keyboard shortcut access that would be useful.
Can the Guide related shortcuts be global and work whatever you are in the app?
Further to this (and I think fundamentally related), it would be good if you could use the View menu and the guide menu items even when the program panel is not in focus (currently these items are disabled unless the Program panel is in focus). Again, I can't see why being able to change the state of the Program panel should be restricted to when it is in focus.
Pierre Louis Beranek commented
Hi Rob, thanks for the tip! I hadn't though about using Excalibur for this. I know about it, since I've been helping Ivan beta test it since before it come out to market! :) You're right, Excalibur does a lot of things that the Pr team obtusely refuses to do.
Pierre - as seems to be the case with many small but vital PP features, the solution comes from the Excalibur plugin! If you don't have it I definitely recommend it and for some reason they seem to be able to offer a global shortcut for toggling guides on and off, so no idea why Adobe can't do it natively 🤷♂️
Pierre Louis Beranek commented
I agree 100% with you Rob!
It's frustrating to be unable to turn guides on/off when the TImeline has focus. I don't use guides that often, so I don't have keyboard shortcuts assigned to these functions, but if I go into the View menu when ANY window other than the Program Monitor is active, all of the menu's options (minus 'Playback Resolution') are greyed out and therefore inaccessible. How is this even remotely logical from a user's perspective?!
FURTHERMORE: If I have my Program Monitor in Fullscreen view on a second monitor, and click on it to make the Program Monitor active, IT DOES NOT WORK! I need to exit Fullscreen view, click on the Program Monitor window, and only then do the View menu option become accessible. This is software design insanity!
Does your argument about keyboard shortcut conflicts apply in this case James? What is your explanation for blocking users out of using the View menu options in this highly restrictive and unnatural way?
Please make your software FRIENDLY and INTUITIVE to use! Greying out the View Menu's options when anything but the non-fullscreen Program Monitor is active is extremely UNfriendly and UNintuitive. Same goes for restricting keyboard shortcuts when doing so is NOT necessary (to avoid shortcut conflicts in this case, users can simply assign shortcuts that don't cause conflicts, can they not?!)
Please take a look at this old FR post of mine James: https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/35766661-make-keyboard-shortcuts-work-from-anywhere-in-the The problem of poorly designed shortcuts extends much further than just the shortcuts for guides.
Thanks for coming back on this James.
Regarding View menu. If those menu items are only associated with things happening in the Program Monitor I don't see why they can only be visible when the Program monitor panel has focus. I don't see how this would conflict with anything else and from a UX standpoint I think there are plenty of times that you might what to change the way the program monitor looks why your main focus is in another panel, be that the project, timeline, Lumeti etc.
Shortcut wise I think the same case holds true. Example - I might have the guides on, be using the Lumeti panel to tweak the colors and decide the guides are in the way - wouldn't it be great to quickly turn them off without having to use the mouse and multiple clicks?
The timeline is the most obvious and common use case where being able to use the guide shortcut keys would be hugely beneficial but I don't think its the only one. So my feeling is the guide shortcut keys should be for the whole app.
Regarding fullscreen. I'm using the "Toggle Fullscreen" command and have a keyboard shortcut of control + ' - the guides all go up into the top left-hand corner. I've got screenshots but there doesn't seem to be a way to attach files to comments. Let me know an email address and I can send them over if it helps.
And actually, the Toggle Full Screen command and shortcut is a good example. Its global and can be used when in any panel and it only makes the Program Monitor play in fullscreen. In my mind, the ability to show/hide glides is of a similar global nature. And as an aside and for completeness the View menu could actually include the Toggle Full Screen command (its currently not available as a menu item anywhere). I like the Toggle Full Screen when I want to review my timeline without any distractions, compared to the maximising panel command.
Thank you for your feedback, Rob. We're glad you are enjoying the new Rulers & Guides features so far...
As for making the View menu commands Global to the app, the things in the View menu always only apply to what you see in the program Mon and there could be conflicts with commands for other panels, especially if you are assigning your own custom shortcut(s) to things like Show Guides or Lock Guides. You make a really good point with your timeline scenario. It would be nice to special case something like that and make it possible to Hid/Show guides from the timeline as well, but Keyboard Shortcuts have to be just one panel or the whole app.
I cannot repro a problem with scaling guides up to full screen mode. I also cannot repro any problem showing/hiding guides in full screen mode. Let's make sure we're on the same page though... by full screen mode, do you mean hitting the tilde key to make it take up the whole app, or are you talking about a transmit view where you are seeing the Program Mon on a separate display with no app UI at all? Or something else?
Just an update to this. If I playback video in full screen the guides do not show correctly, they don't scale up correctly - either they show scale or just be hidden automatically in full-screen mode (scale correctly would be the better option). And the keyboard shortcut for hiding guides doesn't work as expected to allow you hide them in the full-screen mode (assuming you entered full screen when the timeline panel was in focus). So you have exit full screen, select the Program panel, hide guides and then go back to full-screen mode.
Small things but jarring to the user experience and slows sown editing.