STOP DUPLICATE MEDIA FROM BEING IMPORTED
This has not been fixed even though Adobe has claimed to fix this.
I have the media in one master project. My assistant has a their shared project. I open a small sequence from that project and drag the media from it it into my main project. EVEN THOUGH I ALREADY HAVE ALL THE MEDIA, I STILL GET DUPLICATED MEDIA. And on top of that it creates a separate folder for each small clip of footage. Take a look at the attached screenshot.
This is horrible. Fix this asap please. What's the point of shared projects if we can't move media back and forth between them?
Thanks everyone for your feedback. I am moving this to Under Review.
Philip.... I feel your pain. Pasting a sequence from one project to another should take a few seconds AT MOST, and only for a massive sequence with 10's of thousands of clips. I have 15 minute sequences that take 30+ seconds to copy, and another 30 seconds to paste. I'm working on a computer that can do millions of calculations a second. Sequence data is a list of media files, with their in/out points, effect keyframes, and a bit of other information. What is Premiere doing for all this time? Is it having to poll all the actual media on the storage device for some information? Why? Shouldn't this be all cached in the 32gb of RAM I have? As a former programmer, I'm feeling that some major fundamental engineering decision was made that is handcuffing Premiere. I'm currently editing in slow motion in Premiere on sequences that are 15 minutes in length. Last night I had to spend 30 minutes tracking down a previous version of my project because using the ALT drag method to copy media, didn't copy, but moved it instead. Premiere is so lethargic, that I need to keep my mouse motionless for an additional second after moving clips or it will drag the selected clips out of the position I chose. I feel like I degraded my hardware to a Pentium 4, or that I'm using a graphics card from 10 years ago.
I think this also touches on the entire issue of sharing sequences in the first place. (Perhaps that should be a separate thread, but it's connected)
1) When I import a sequence from a partner editor's project (who is working on a cloned drive, same file structure etc), I do NOT expect to end up with ANY new project elements other than ONE sequence.
2) That is, of course, assuming there are no new media elements she added. If she did, then please add those media elements in a logical way - placing them within a folder (not scattering them around willy-nilly like at present), naming it logically, and nesting folders within if that's appropriate.
3) I also don't expect the import of a sequence to take so long! In FCP7, a sequence copy/pasted from one project to another was done in seconds. I just waited almost three mins for a simple, 2V 6A 20 min long sequence to be imported via Media Browser from an extremely small project - 218K.
4) As to existing projects that I need cleaned up because of the duplicate media problem, I'd like to be able to delete duplicate media clips in existing projects WITHOUT them disappearing from sequences. The default assumption should be that if they're being deleted, and are in a sequence, to search for a similarly named clip and point to that instead. This default should be modifiable per Brian's comment below, with an interactive window searching for and suggesting clips to consider instead of the one I'm deleting.
Brian Davison commented
I'm curious how the 'remove duplicate' function works in the new update. My facility is gun-shy about upgrading because upgrades tend to cause headaches.
I'm totally with you about the duplicate named bins Michael.
In terms of what I'd like (since let's be honest, it's never going to be 100%) is a way to point at two or more clips or multicam sequences and tell Premeire that they are the same thing. At least that say I can manually remove duplicates fairly quickly.
Reg Santo Tomas..... What more info do you need? Improve this workflow? We all just want Premiere to find identical media and link it to that same media that is already listed in the project, rather than create new bins with that same media. If you want, we can set up a Teamviewer session with my project and I'm pretty sure we can create duplicate media in the project at will. I was last creating weird new bins just by copying and pasting media from one project to another. I could do it at will this way. And even if the media is new to the project it's pasted in, rather than placing new media in the same bin, it created identically named bins and placed the imported media in there, creating 140 bins of the same name with 2 files in each. This is a slightly different problem than what most are experiencing but shows how ignorant Premiere is with imports and media organization.
I just got over 100 duplicate bins for VFX shots in our film..... just by going back and forth with the project with the director. Sharing projects with people, even if they have identical media in an identical directory tree, or they don't have the media and it needs to be re-linked when the project comes back to me, makes the project a complete mess. Asset management is extremely important on large projects and Premiere just has no sense. It gets confused at every turn.
As Micah says below, just as critical as fixing this problem so it doesn't happen in the first place is to also implement a system to help those of us with countless 'zDELETE' folders filled with duplicate media in existing sequences that we can't delete. My project file would probably be half its current size if I could just get rid of those duplicate clips
Can i vote for this a thousand times!!!
Jesus. After editing with 5 editors remotely for two years my project now has a 'mess' bin.
I wish they would just fix it!!!
@Wes it would be good if the dialogue box pulled up a resolution system with a list of all suspected duplicates to be resooved. Or could even accept some human input regarding what criteria to use for duplicates. I'm thinking of the link media dialogue box where you can check or uncheck things like metadata, duration filename, timecode etc.
Brian Davison commented
I would also like to add that a particular grievance for me is getting duplicate multicam sequences. If an assistant editor or a story producer is stringing a sequence together and I import it into my project, very often, I'll wind up with two copies of all the multicam sequences that the sequence contains.
Dan Powers commented
Of course this means that Adobe must reference metadata while importing media which I suspect will slow down footage imports. Personally I want an import dialog that has a check box for "check project and metadata for duplicate files"
Cannot just use file names. I get lots of media from shoots with files of the same name. C001_A001 for example.
Micah Haun commented
Basically, if I already have a clip in my project, it should be nearly impossible to make a duplicate unless I specifically duplicate it myself. When bringing in material by any means, duplicate master clips should not happen. Not ever.
So if I bring in a clip by way of copying from another project, no duplicates. If I open something in the source monitor and edit it in, no duplicates. If I drag it directly into a sequence, no duplicates. If I copy/drag a sequence in from another project, no duplicates.
Most importantly, there needs to be a way to merge duplicate clips if they do happen. Because it's likely they will still happen. Also, most of us already have projects where the exist and it would be nice to clean up.
If I have media already in my project and I receive a sequence from another editor not connected to my San that media will be duplicated over and over as I receive new sequences. Because that editor is using the same file but it's connected to their file path my system doesn't recognize that it's already in my project. It would be great to be able and select the file that's already linked and select the one that isn't and select link. Other wise I have to go through the process of relinking the same files over and over.
I've been working on a large feature doc project for over a year. Because there was still footage coming in throughout the past year, I started to cut while my assistant was still loading, syncing and organizing. When he sent me an updated project, (and whether I would drag/copy or Import via Media Browser) it would bring in all the media again. This even when we were working with cloned drives, with exactly the same, and unchanging, file paths. Because I can't delete these duplicate clips, I park them in a folder marked for deletion, with the intent being to figure it out later. Now, a year into the project, it's become a scarily unmanageable mess, and when I match back to clips in edited sequences, clips from the same day's footage are scattered throughout the project in multiple bins. How we will ever get this resolved is a little scary.
I tried the Consolidate Duplicates command and it was both utterly uninformative (no dialog box showing what will happen, or explanation of what the feature does, appears to exist in any documentation), and apparently useless. I believe I am exactly where I was before the operation showed me it was doing SOMETHING (with a beachball), but now I have no idea whether it did anything, what it did and whether I should revert to the project I saved before the operation and throw away its results?
This problem of duplicate media is a new one in the field - no other NLE software has ever seemed to find this such a problem? In FCP7, if a file had a duplicate name, media clips could accidentally reconnect to the wrong clip, but it didn't often happen outside a folder structure and it was easy to fix. And honestly I think this encouraged better file naming. It's not an issue in Avid, because it creates unique sub-media.
Thank you for the feedback. We are listening.
File path mismatch can be a common cause of duplicate issues. If the media is imported from different locations with different file paths this can cause duplicate files in the Project Panel. It can be a tricky problem to resolve as many times users may have many files with the same name. There can be many user scenarios and we are working to continue to make this work better.
The new Consolidate Duplicates command is one of our recent steps towards improvements.
Do some of you have more specific feedback related to this new functionality? More details and specific examples and requests are welcome.
I was so excited that this would apparently be addressed in the latest release - but sadly disappointed with the result. No dialog box, no explanation of what Premiere is doing behind the scenes, just a brief waiting period and then, finally, a small chance it actually found and consolidated the duplicates. Why isn't this working better? I also can't find any documentation online of how this is supposed to work or be used to help figure out if I'm doing something wrong.
@Daniel Hoover, We know that. and there is a reason why people might open 2 projects and drag from one another, there is also a reason why Adobe made it possible to open several Projects together.
@Kevin Monahan, unfortunately this problem still persists in the newest release.
Daniel Hoover commented
The key is using Media Browser. Don't open both projects side by side or copy/paste from one to the other. Use Media Browser to "browse" into a project, then drag-and-drop the sequence into your new destination project. It won't duplicate when used like this.
same here!!! this is a big mistake BUG for feature film edit work !!!
Hi, enabling writing XMP ID to files on import in preferences-media and importing through Media Browser in PPro should solve this problem. I hope it'll help you!
Kevin Monahan commented
Check out the new features for the upcoming version. This issue has been addressed. Looking forward to the release.