With the old legacy titling editor you have to manual enable the tools and properties panels. The old titling system gives you a lot more options and it is much easier to use. Adobe needs to continue supporting it. I have a video of the bug.

https://youtu.be/RUrshYb8D1o

With the old legacy titling editor you have to manual enable the tools and properties panels. The old titling system gives you a lot more options and it is much easier to use. Adobe needs to continue supporting it. I have a video of the bug.

https://youtu.be/RUrshYb8D1o

Fun fact... the Adobe guys didn't program the "legacy" titler. They bought the code from someone else. That's why it's packed with so many features, and has so many integrated shortcuts.

I'm just glad that other people are as upset at its potential deletion as I am.

Once the new titler has *all* the functionality & quality of the legacy one, then it might be fine. But right now, many things are missing in the new one. Maybe some of these things have been addressed already, since I haven't touched the new stuff and am still on CC2018.

- Can't nudge text or graphics around pixel-by-pixel with the arrow keys and shift+arrow keys like you can in Legacy (and these keys are assignable in the Keyboard Shortcuts for Legacy).

- Needs all the keyboard shortcuts of Legacy

- The new titles are not as sharp as Legacy and the anti-aliasing is not as good. https://prnt.sc/kfwqhm

- Legacy tool creates a reference in the project bin and alt+dragging on timeline copies and creates a new copy in the project bin. Perfect for diverse workflows.

- Path Type Tool? Rounded rectangles? Holding down shift to draw perfect horiz/vert/45 degree lines? Line cap type? Join type? Miter Limit? Distortion?

- Fill types (4-color Gradient, Bevel, Eliminate, Ghost)? Sheen? Texture?

- Proper fills and shadows on open Pen shapes? (Legacy does it correct; new tool closes the shadow on open Beziers: https://prntscr.com/kfwp4n)

- Inner and outer strokes?

- Create the perfect style (drop-shadow, fill, o̶u̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶s̶t̶r̶o̶k̶e̶ (oops not possible in new tool)) on a bezier shape in new tool and want to put it on some text? Nope. In Legacy, just save it as a style and apply to anything.

Speaking of Beziers... legacy allows you to quickly convert lines from open bezier to closed or filled. New tool-- once closed, cannot be made an open bezier again. Legacy-- double-clicking a bezier goes into edit mode. New tool you have to manually switch to the pen first.

Last, legacy works well with older and shared projects. New tool... often get errors and incompatibilities.

Hello there, I finally got time to do this.

Let's compare my workflows of the most simple edit I have to do every week. One is in CC2018, one is in CC2016. (I don't have the latter one cause it seems you can't get it now through the Creative Cloud which is honestly annoying)

What I want to do:
1. Import an mp4 file.
2. Put text on it.
3. Put different text on another frame of the clip.
4. Copy the same text and paste it on a third frame of the same clip so that the latter ones display the same text.

In CC2018: https://youtu.be/1UNHaiLT_Pg

As you can see, there are a few problems.
1. I can't use presets easily. I need to make a new text field, delete the actual text from it, then apply an effects preset on it.
1.1. It's much SLOWER than in CC2016 where you could press Ctrl+T, "use preset" and then just select a preset and you're done.
1.2. And you have to save text presets in your effects presets which get messy very fast.
2. If you want to have the same text on two different parts of your project, you have to link specifically the texts you want to have linked. In my video example I have 3 different pieces of text which are not in sync with each other. That's bad.

So in CC2016 the workflow would be:
1. Ctrl+T.
2. Click on button "Use preset". (which got REMOVED COMPLETELY even from the LEGACY TITLER since CC2017, see here: http://snap.ashampoo.com/uploads/2018-12-12/SQDPPyhzg2S4WD53DBLIJyvyEf9imJda2GPL0WFgSYCk60GBbskllAEqFDYsN4SJ.png)
3. Edit text.
4. Close (now legacy) titler.
5. Drag the text whereever you want it to be.

If you want an unlinked copy, you doubleclick the text and use "create copy with current preset" or however the button is called.
If you want a linked copy, you just drag the text from your workspace on another spot of the project, now you have two linked texts (if you edit one, the other one will change).

As you can see, my whole workflow is basically broken since CC2017. Please bring back my good old presets in the legacy titler (the "official" workaround presented to me by Adobe is annoying, too) and woe you delete the legacy titler completely!

James et al on the develpment team:

There is a HUGE production difference between the Legacy Titler and the EGP for production work making large numbers of quick titles, due to the sheer massive number of keyboard shortcuts available for the Titler ... and the almost complete lack of key-shorts for the EGP.

For the Titler, you can change font size, adjust kerning/leading and such, nudge text/graphics, select or change tools ... the list of keyboard shortcuts has thirty-eight (38!) items.

The list for the EGP?

There are nine (9) things in the Graphics section, such useful things as "upgrade to master graphic", and you can use a few other graphic or text controls you find around the shorts list but you can't change text/font size!

You can set an "increase Kerning 5 units" k-short, but ... it only works after you click on the spot you want to change kerning AND click on the Kerning icon on either the EGP or the ECP or in the number-adjustment area ... and it changes by 50 units!

There are very few useful things that can be done for EGP/mogrt graphics with the keyboard, and the ones that are ... by the time you "invoke" them, it's faster to use a mouse and number-pad.

This is one of the key areas you must improve the usability of the EGP before it can fully replace the old Titler.

We use bins for Straps/Tiltles/Subtitles for our documentary series' & also need this for our international distributers so we can easily change the language to suit and end credits.
It is a universally accepted method for all our international partners. We find it extremely easy to use (ver 12 not Ver13).

Please do not change something that is not broken, we have had a nightmare few months with until V13 arrived because of stability issues. Also can you please make the Legacy Titler the same as in Ver. 12. Thanks

Yes, I use many bins for my legacy titles. And yes, I could explain why and my workflow to Adobe, but the fact is that these questions deviate from the real issue: remove legacy title support and people's projects will collapse forcing us to redo all our work using the graphics tools.

I personally know such a move would affect at least 35 projects of mine each with sevearal legacy titles, some quite complex in nature. Now, I'm only one person, there will be hundreds of us, if not thousands, using legacy titles. Imagine how many projects that amounts to!

Yes, I'm sure most of us are capable of converting all our legacy titles to the new graphics tools, but that's going to cost us an incredible amount of time in total, time which Adobe show they don't value with changes like deprecating lagacy titles; not to speak about all the various deprecated effects, effects which has had me (and I would say most others with deprecated effects) lost many hours researching alternative solutions, solution that sometimes have forced me to pay for third-party alternatives on top of my Creative Cloud subscription!

I, like many others in my position, chose in-built effects because they were considerd stable and part of the product. No one anticipated that these, nor the legacy titles, would ever be pulled on us users.

Adobe asks extorts us with their expensive and inflexible Creative Cloud subscription plans that milk us out of everything we've got, yet they don't value our time one iota. Adobe must stop abusing the position that they force on their their users. Adobe must turn user-centric, not Adone-centric. Users should drive the direction of products, not Adobe. After all, we are called users because we are the ones actually using the products.

P.S. Last week I unsubscribed from Creative Cloud because I could no longer afford it.

@Alan That's a great point I forgot to make. The ability to import already created titles into the Project Panel via Media Browser is a huge deal. We have a template .prproj that we use as the starting point for all episodes and having them ready to go in our template is crucial. Without actual title objects in the Project Panel, this is impossible.

As has been said before you can change something in one place and have it ripple. Also saving common titles, slates or credits in your bins to drag down without recreating them or hunting for one to copy and paste in a different timeline (here's looking at you, "GFX SLATE" and audio channel mapping).

The fact is the most basic and ubiquitous concepts for dealing with media in Premiere are bins, the source monitor and editing. It is inconsistent with the software if their use is not supported with essential graphics.

Hi James,

To answer your questions:
1. On most projects, I normally only use 1 Bin to collect all of my titles. On complex projects with several individual videos, each on their own timeline, I might use one nested Bin per individual video (that said, it is extremely annoying that PP isn't smart enough to automatically collect all titles in a 'Titles' bin. I've done more than one FR for this in the past. Automatic Bin organization would be a very welcome feature (i.e. any newly created Sequences automatically appear in whichever Bin is set to gather 'Sequences', any Nested sequences go in a 'Nests' Bin, Titles go in 'Titles' Bin, etc). Search Bins are not an adequate substitute.)

2. Yes, I would be willing to show my workflow, but not to help Adobe understand how they can kill the legacy titler, but rather to point out just how much of an essential tool the legacy titler is for us editors, given how inept, limited and flat out bad the new Essential Graphics panel is.

It's very simple. Adobe removes the legacy titler. I stop using Premiere Pro. As surely will others.
Don't remove the legacy titler! Adobe's messed up enough things in the past. Please spend resources on squashing bugs rather than figuring out new ways to mess up our workflow! Thank you.

@James Strawn

Hi James,

Thanks for reaching out and posting this update. Legacy Titles (LTs) are a big part of our production workflow. We edit and deliver a weekly 30 minute TV show using a significant amount of b-roll and photos that need photo credits titled on the items.

Usually, we make only a few Legacy Title credits but they are used for dozens of items throughout hundreds of sequences (shows, clips, promos, social media videos, etc.) Using Legacy Titles are the only option because they allow us to make one change in the Project Panel item and it will change every instance of that title throughout all of the sequences. This is great for fixing things like typos or when producers change their minds. :)

Another reason we use the Legacy Titles is that we can see exactly where in the project they are used. This is possible by utilizing the Video/Audio Usage field in the Project Panel. We can perform an "audit" of sorts by jumping to various sequences and make sure the titles are placed on the correct footage/image items.

So in summary, yes we just the Legacy Titles in the project panel as a significant part of our workflow. I would be willing to demonstrate this workflow, as well.

Thanks again!

Yes, please do NOT remove the legacy title. Its already annoying enough that I cant right click to access it and now I have to select "actions" "styles" ect every time I open it. Having titles is super useful when making quick mock ups to show clients and removing it would just be stupid.

Anyone campaigning to have this "amateur" feature removed is probably an old industry pro scared to lose their job because its so easy to create titles without AE.

You had your time. Its ours now. Kindly and quietly leave.

Lagacy title creator is vastly better than the new title creator. Easy to use and customise

The Lagacy title is much more versatile than the new option and is perfect for pro users who need to eliminate titles and straps for international distribution. I would be lost without it.

+ 1 for a vote not to remove Legacy title. For complex text requirements this would be a massive loss without it.

Oh, I forgot one of the most important features of the legacy titler: Multiple lines per text box.
Premiere's new text tool DOES have this, but the Essential Graphics that you create in After Effects and import into Premiere... Do NOT have multiple lines. which is honestly really annoying... deleting just one line in a big list of credits, for example, requires a bunch of copy/pasting across text box fields.

Also, dang, it really is convenient to be able to click on a (legacy) title style and have all the settings loaded instantly...

Thank you for taking the time to give us your feedback. I'm merging this to a related thread about not getting rid of the Legacy Titler (you know it's still there in the current Pr version (as of Pr 12.1.2 at least) right?). By merging things like this, we can keep all the votes and comments in one place where they can count the most.

The legacy titler was the best text tool I've seen in any editing software so far. Surely it wasn't very clean design-wise but now it's buried in the menus of Premiere and has even lost it's most important feature, the "import title" button.

I made a few presets for my text there and can't use them any more. The new text tool (where you add text as a video effect) is very clunky and not user friendly at all compared to the old one.

I constantly end up with text being out of bounds of the effect while still being in bounds of the video itself (see attachment).

Also, having the text as a video effect is just clunky itself. I really liked it when a text was an own element with its own editor. :/

Why didn't you just make the legacy titler look better instead of making texts harder to use?

I agree 100%. If Adobe ever pulls an 'Apple' move on us (removing the Legacy Titler, just like Apple removed the headphone jack), that'll be the last day I use PP!

I HATE the new Essential Graphics titler, and
I LOVE the legacy titler for so many reasons, many of which are listed here.

I imagine only new editors and/or those with very limited titling requirements like the new Essential Graphics titler. It seems to have less than 50% of the functionality of the original titler it wants to replace. What sense does that make???