Please DO NOT eliminate the Legacy Title creator in future updates.
Adobe tends to update with only the highly skilled pro in mind. But there are many advanced amateurs like me who DO NOT want to lose Legacy Title creator.
Jason Ross
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Jason Ross
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OK Adobe, your paying customers have spoken totally in favor of keeping the Legacy Title tool. Therefore will you publicly commit now, to those who pay for your services, to those who you say you value (your customers), that you WILL KEEP the Legacy Title tool?
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Andrew
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I mostly like the Legacy Titler for the nice separate window that it opens in which allows you to cleanly do all the titling and then close it when you're finished. Whereas the way the Essential Graphics titling works is too "messy" by comparison, in my opinion. It opens a panel into the workspace instead, which makes it a little more messy to open and close. And you have to do all the titling in the program monitor, which you might often have to re-size or scroll around in, etc, while bouncing back and forth to the Essential Graphics window in your workspace, which doesn't fit into my normal workspace setup, etc.. basically, it's just a lot less nice to work with. Whereas the Legacy Titler is nice and clean... opens when you need it, do all the work in that window, then close it when you're done. Simple and efficient.
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Sami Succar
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I wouldn't mind keeping or killing it.
I'm just here to say that in case you decide to keep the Legacy Title creator, please do not get rid of the new titling tool. I love it! It has made my life so easier, thank you for it! -
TaranVH
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"Text ***** control! "
That's odd, it looks like uservoice censored the word " s I a n t ." I had no idea that was a naughty word. :P -
TaranVH
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I must agree. I'd absolutely hate to lost the legacy titler tool. Even as a very advanced user, I use it every day. It's simple. Effective. Quick and dirty.
The legacy titler tool is basically a WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) raster-based tool... like having a better version of MS Paint right inside of Premiere.
Essential graphics is basically a vector-based tool. You can do a lot of cool stuff with it, but there is a lot to learn and keep track of, a lot of ways for it to go wrong, and even a lot that is still (AFAIK) missing:
Gradients!
Underline?
Text ***** control!
Small caps size control!
Rounded rectangles with X and Y distortion and fillet size adjustments
Multiple inner and outer strokes
Title styles to instantly change font/color/stroke/etc
The PEN TOOL!!
The list goes on.The legacy titler tool is like an axe. The axe head might be a little loose, (it's still a bit buggy) but it gets the job done when you just need to hack off a few branches.
Don't force your users to use a chainsaw, when they just want to use an axe.
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@Joel Ferland You can make clip layers to insert your logos in the same way using Graphics > Rolls. Then you can position them wherever you want within the Roll and they will roll right along with the rest of of your text/shape layers in the same roll. You can make your program monitor bigger by just clicking and dragging the panel edges out. Or make it full screen by pressing "~" (without the quotes) and toggle back to your regular workspace using the same key whenever you want.
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Joel Ferland
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In the Legacy Titler, it's possible to insert graphic logos right in the middle of text in a rolling title. This is a must! Also, the working window is larger than the little tiny program window.
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Anonymous
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Agree. Needed for old projects and, quite frankly, the new tool is terrible.
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Eric Merrow
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+1 for not removing the legacy title tool! I'm a professional user and the Title tool (legacy) allows me to work WAY faster than the essential graphics style of implementing titles. I'm a huge fan of the Legacy title tool!
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AndyC
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Another reason to keep the Legacy Title tool - we have some custom software that generates large numbers of caption .prtl files from a text document. These can then be imported into Premiere and laid into place. This workflow saves us hours of manually copy/pasting on-screen text. We have tried to implement the workflow by generating XML files containing Essential Graphic titles, but the formatting of the Essential Graphics within an XML is not intuitive. If someone can explain how Essential Graphics are formatted within XMLs then we'd have less need for the Legacy Title Tool, but right now it's essential for our workflow.
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Chris V.
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Sure! DO NOT eliminate the Legacy Title Creator.
The Legacy title editor is VERY IMPORTANT to edit and change older projects for my clients!!!
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Jason Ross
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Hi James Strawn.....Just so you know. I dont have After Effects, and I am terrified of the painful learning curve that will come with it. Aside from my wish that Adobe keeps Legacy Title. Another problem that Adobe has is that there is almost zero space in the room (that's a metaphor) for beginners or know-nothings like me. Everything Adobe creates is done with the cultural assumption that everyone who uses any CC product (or at least Lr, Pr, Ps, Ae) is an experienced EXPERT who never faced a learning curve of any sort. "They were just born that way, knowing all the tricks of Adobe CC anything!!" (That's another metaphor). I have watched so many videos of Adobe just wizzing right through the toughest of creations in seconds. Then when I try, there is either a missing component, or a trick to make some box of options appear, or God forbid you hit the wrong button and the entire screen changes, but there is no "back" button for moments like that. I am a pretty intelligent person, but these types of issues have plagued my Adobe experience. And don't get me wrong. I love what I get from Adobe and I love what I am able to create. BUT--If you only knew the ideas in my mind, and how I absolutely cannot get them into creative existence because I don't have the mastery that Adobe seems to think everybody comes to CC with in the first place. And Adobe doesn't offer "Useable" phone support the way Apple or Canon do. Yes I know I can call, but if you have ever seen one of your less-than-expert CC friends call the support line and experience the interaction with the support staff, then you know full well how painful it is. Not just the language barrier, but the inability of those folks to actually show you how to do anything. Adobe is worth $121 Billion. I think a great investment of just a smidgen of all that cash (after all, how many private horse riding lessons can an exec possibly buy for their kids?) would be to have staff that can teach users like me how to do stuff, and come on the computer the exact way Apple does. Anyway, rant over. And thank you for reading what I have written.......
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Ann
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I miss:
Custom shapes
4 color gradient
sheen
multiple strokes (mainly outer)
Distort
Text along a path -
Ann
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I dont like to see the old titler go.
The main reason I still use it instead of the new one is that the titles are listed in the project window. I want a quick overview of what is in my project. I dont want templates. -
Mike
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I use the legacy title all the time to add a dark gradient background behind white text with the shape tool. I'm sure there are other ways to do that but I default to the legacy editor out of convenience.
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@morgan To make a roll, make a new Graphic + Text/Shape/Clip Layer(s) in Pr. Make sure the Graphic is selected, but its individual layers are not. Click on Roll in the EGP.
The animation of a Roll happens automatically. Duration and speed depend on how long your content is, how many frames the Graphic clip is, and what roll options you've set in the EGP. You can still edit your roll as much as you want after making it a roll so don't worry about finishing it all first.
I've made multi and mixed column rolls with many layers entirely inside Pr using text, shape and clip layers with pinning. But for really complex rolls, I've found it easier to design it all as one big psd/png file in Photoshop, then just add that image as a Graphic clip layer and enable that as a roll. That method makes it a little harder to edit back and forth between Ps and Pr after you make the Graphic, but if you don't care about that and you just want all the imaging and graphical power of apps like Ps or Ai for the actual authoring and design part before you go to Pr, it's a good way to go.
Finally, I have to disagree that Pr Graphics are largely focused on Ae templates. (read my previous response to Jason to understand the difference between aegraphics and prgraphics) If you just want to make Titles in Pr, that's what the Type/Shape/EGP and other tools are for. Making Titles that way does not need to involve Ae at all. If it seems like all the focus is on Ae, that's because a lot of users seem to prefer designing all their Motion Graphics in Ae even for relatively simple ones that they could easily do in Pr using Graphics tools and Effect Controls.
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@jason ross For multiple lines of text in Pr, use the title tool, click in the Program Mon (PM), start typing, hit enter for a carriage return tot he next line. Or click and drag in the PM not make a 'Text in Box' so that you can just enter your text and it will wrap within the box boundaries.
Once you have the text you want, use the EGP edit tab to change your font, size, color and many other things for selected text or shape layers. If you are not seeing all that in a pretty intuitive way, it makes me thing that you are either not using the Essential Graphics workspace, or else you are using aegraphics instead of prgraphics. Ae graphics are what you get when you apply an ae mogrt in Pr. Pr graphics are what you get when you wither apply a pro mogrt or make a new Graphic + Layer using the type or shape tools. Ae graphics are much more limited in what can be edited in the EGP and the Ae user decides what to make editable in Pr at all. prgraphcis are always fully editable in Pr.
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Morgan
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Hi Adobe, I kind of agree with Jason, and am an experienced user of Premiere.
Firstly it is largely focused on motion graphic templates made in After Effect which some editors won't have or can't use.
The title doesn't appear in the info window and can't be handily put in a bin for re-use. I appreciate you might be able to save it as a template but this method over time will create a library of templates that is a mile long!
When or if you delete the title from the timeline it is gone for ever rather than still in a bin in the info window.
I can't for the life of me see how to do credit plates or rolls. I often make credit plates that have multiple columns across and down. These are contained in one legacy Title and can re-use and edit that from episode to episode on a TV series as the people performing each role can change from ep to ep.
I assume you are expecting me to learn After Effect to do this now? Or just send it to my Motion Graphics/After Effects department?...I don't have one.
It may well be possible but I can't find a sufficient tutorial that covers the basic stuff. Plenty that show wow factor motion graphics capabilities (all requiring AE) but show us the multiple column credit plates and rollers.
To be honest most super fancy Titles are done by separate companies that specialise in that discipline. Editors are mostly working on the main body of the picture and then the end credits. (In my world) -
Jason Ross
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At its simplest level, with the new title tool, if I want to write out multiple lines of text, I cannot. I have to create a new title box. With the legacy title tool, i can write out multiple lines of text and have great control over the look, feel, size, color etc.
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Adminbronwynlewis
(Admin, Adobe DVA)
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Hi Jason, thanks so much for taking the time to share your feedback. I would love to understand more about what has been difficult in learning/transitioning to Essential Graphics and what is daunting.
The idea behind it is that the new workspace/flow is familiar from other apps like Photoshop, and that you can do more with it than you could with the Legacy Titler. Here are a few documentation pages that I hope are helpful: https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/essential-graphics-panel.html
We can't comment specifically on future plans but please know that we are listening and trying to understand the friction in moving to new tools. Please share any more details you can around what has been difficult in transitioning.