I agree with you 100% Andrew. I also much prefer the layout of the LT. Compared to the LT, the new EG panel doesn't feel optimized for several reasons I've pointed out in various feature requests on User Voice. Thankfully they didn't just cut LT all at once, giving us a transition period to adapt. It's curious that cutting the LT appears to be a necessity. There must be reasons for this that non-programmers like myself don't understand. With the LT soon to disappear, I see myself creating more custom MGRTS in AE. It's a good workaround especially if you want your titles to animate.

I think it’s become clear that the Legacy Title is favoured by a large number of Premier users.

That’s not to say that EG is bad, per-se. I’m sure some favour it and new users won’t know any different.

But the feedback on this forum over the years demonstrates how many customers still rely on LT for their workflow, finding it preferable and more user friendly. I have to say, I’ve been a Premier user for 20 years and have really tried to adapt to EG. Honestly, I don’t find it as useful or intuitive. To me, it’s always felt messier and clumsier. Of course, it’s perfectly functional and does what it’s supposed to, but it’s replacing something that was (IMHO) better…plain and simple. I think that’s what the backlash and frustration is about. Why have Adobe changed something that didn’t really need changing with something that’s not as good in so many ways?

Furthermore, it’s hard to understand why it needs to be retired. Surely it can remain with the option for users to drag it on to a hot key or icon? It seems like the simplest and most acceptable solution for all.

Adobe can continue investing in EG, improving that over time with user feedback, while maintaining LT for those who prefer it.

Is that something Adobe would consider?

@Joe DuPont from following this thread over the years a few things became very clear to me: Adobe does not care for Windows users very much. Adobe cares much less for users of the legacy titler. Any good software company would've created automatic tools to make the switch as seamless as possible, meanwhile I still couldn't create text like I usually did (afaik), plus every EG menu and imports from it are lagging. Removing something like this without adding automatic tools, plus officially killing support for any old Premiere versions back in 2018 are just enough reasons to switch to one of the many great (and often free) alternatives. "Use an old version if you want your feature but we won't speak with you again" is such a ****** way to handle customer support for one of the most expensive subscriptions for casuals.

The arrogance of moving forward with the elimination of the tool tool is SO disappointing. Sure, the tool could use some improvement but the way it works is simple and effective. I'm sure you are very proud of yourselves for writing some very cool new code, but please take a moment to stop patting yourselves on the back and listen to your users. The legacy tool works extremely well for me. Much better than EG panel. I don't need the built-in titler to do anything exceptionally complex. I have Photoshop and After Effects for that. I mostly need to do a lot of simple repetitive stuff often and quickly. You ***** with the title tool and you ***** - badly- with my workflow. You ***** with my workflow and you ***** with my livelihood.

We relay on a workaround with .prtls which makes everything pretty much automatic for us. I cant find a way to recreate it with Essential Graphics since its encoded in the project file and we cant import text from external source to essential graphics.

converting the titles is not an option because it reverse the orientation in Hebrew.

And no, some of the simplest treatments to simple titles just DO NOT upgrade to essential graphics at all well using your auto upgrade tool. YOU KNOW IT ADOBE. You are destroying efficiency and ease for the sake of what - bigging up your developers or some shady business deal with another supplier forced in the Adobe fold? If you INSIST on destroying an absolutely vital tool for the sake of ego, please let us know which bolt on titler tool will do the job as well as the now 'legacy' title tool - a tool which some believe your comrades have been quietly 'breaking' for quite some time now judging by the silly things the 'legacy' titler is doing. Even doing a simple clock (TV commercial ID - a legal requirement in the UK/Europe) requires a workaround - as simple forward slashes refuse to play ball and we need to create a separate window to put in the duration - try it..! Example SAA/MAXF037/020 - just TRY it Adobe.

The Legacy Title builder is much better than EG.
You either need to continue Legacy Titles alongside EG - to make ALL of your users happy, and save them THOUSANDS of hours of work.

Or Adobe MUST make Legacy Graphics and EG 100% compatible. All of my shapes and text created in Legacy Graphics MUST convert perfectly into EG.

No that is not right. I know it is old coding but I use it hundreds of times per project and its' flexibility and clarity is a wonder.
Some of us DONT want to go 'over the horizon' with projects for TV or corporate - clients are scared of too much fancy stuff - especially if it looks too 'american'. I'm afraid the legacy titler, before you started to mess with it - was a good solid tool, easily understood, easily duplicated and transported from project to project. The new title tool is a mess, designed for single screen use only!! (whaaaat!) many many more keystrokes needed, and not all the functionality and ease of use retained. The new 'export' window was another example of 'simplifying' premier pro to pander to cat video makers. Professionals do NOT want to make cat videos. Not many of us work on one screen laptops. We need a tool which is solid, easy to use, reliable and light. Muscle memory in the fingers of hundreds of loyal PPro users over the years have paid for Adobe to expand. Now you just kick us in the face. I will NOT be upgrading Pro on any of our PCs when the legacy titler is gone OR that insane 'export' and 'new project' window is forced upon us. Like many we will be looking elsewhere for our editing/finishing tools.

Thanks, 한솔 오 . I'd be interested in hearing more. Since the Legacy Titler will be retired very soon in the next major release in the fall timeframe you will need to keep a version of Premiere Pro on your computer that still has the Legacy Titler. I recommend preparing for a switch to Essential Graphics as soon as possible.

I do not agree to get rid of the legacy titler. I would like to continue using it.

Hi David Mills! I will reach out to you. Happy to talk some more about the issues you are seeing. I am a Quality Engineer on the Motion Graphics team. Annika

I have now spent hours trying to find how the new essential graphics panel will enable me to create simple supers/titles/time supers, as fast and as easily as legacy titles enables me to do so. I am completely lost. As far as I can see, it will instead, take much, much longer. Please, please, keep legacy titles for editors like me, who use premier pro for simple, but not unimportant, edits. Thank you.

This is the best function you have ever made. Please countinue this function, and allow us to export prtl as we could in CS6.

When the cursor is at the end of a text line. It doesn't display correctly. It looks like it is before the last character, but it is actually after the last chacater.

Hi Gary -

You can nudge EG items in the Program Monitor. It is not mapped by default to the unmodified arrow keys, because that would interfere with stepping in the timeline. The default mappings are Cmd/Ctrl + arrow key, with Shift + Cmd/Ctrl + arrow key for 5 pixel moves. You can change these in the keyboard shortcuts dialog if you want.

As for the legacy title upgrade, we know that it is not lossless. In particular, rotation is so different between the two systems that we haven't come up with a good way to convert it. Would you be willing to share a simple project with a few of the legacy titles that are causing problems for you when upgraded?

Mike

With EG, I can't move titles with keyboard. Also, EG needs the shapes found in Legacy Titler. Either upgrade EG with all LT functions or leave both in PPro. When asked if I wanted to upgrade EG, I checked yes. All titles and shapes made in LT were askew. Fortunately, I did not save the project, closed it and exited. When I reloaded PPro, I did not choose the EG upgrade and my LT shapes and graphics were ok.

I'm with you. It's scaring me that they are taking away something that simply works! Maybe Adobe will cave and and leave it in with future releases. Maybe they will allow us to opt out of that.

The legacy titler is such a simple, yet effective tool to create titles. I do not understand why it has to be removed. I get that MOGRTs are a thing and that Essential Graphics is replacing it, but I don't need a tool for graphics, I need one just for titles.

I do not know who thought it would be more intuitive to use Essential Graphics, at least for me, after trying for hours, I still do not get how this is supposed to be an improvement over previous versions where I could simply hit CTRL+T, type in the text and I am done.

Do not make the legacy titler completely a thing of the past. I have never had an issue until the last few "upgrades" have worked intentionally on your part to make it a pain ********** to need to re-size the windows to where they can actually be used. You are going to force me to use something I don't want and take away one of the reasons that I have stuck with Adobe for over 20 years? I have my (very simple) titles set and all I ever do is change the date and go on with the same saved project, week after week after week. I'm really not interested or impressed with new wowzer effects or motions or dazzlelicious, knock 'em over bs. I'll probably quit paying you and become a former customer when your plans to ignore long-time PAYING customers like me are put fully into effect.

As an assistant editor, I have been told that the legacy title is the more professional way to go for creating titles. Everyone I've worked with this year insists on using the legacy title. If we don't, we are building our graphics in another program. It's the cleanest and more efficient way to create a title. it is creative tool and artistic medium for editors in Premiere.