Hi David Mills! I will reach out to you. Happy to talk some more about the issues you are seeing. I am a Quality Engineer on the Motion Graphics team. Annika

I have now spent hours trying to find how the new essential graphics panel will enable me to create simple supers/titles/time supers, as fast and as easily as legacy titles enables me to do so. I am completely lost. As far as I can see, it will instead, take much, much longer. Please, please, keep legacy titles for editors like me, who use premier pro for simple, but not unimportant, edits. Thank you.

This is the best function you have ever made. Please countinue this function, and allow us to export prtl as we could in CS6.

When the cursor is at the end of a text line. It doesn't display correctly. It looks like it is before the last character, but it is actually after the last chacater.

Hi Gary -

You can nudge EG items in the Program Monitor. It is not mapped by default to the unmodified arrow keys, because that would interfere with stepping in the timeline. The default mappings are Cmd/Ctrl + arrow key, with Shift + Cmd/Ctrl + arrow key for 5 pixel moves. You can change these in the keyboard shortcuts dialog if you want.

As for the legacy title upgrade, we know that it is not lossless. In particular, rotation is so different between the two systems that we haven't come up with a good way to convert it. Would you be willing to share a simple project with a few of the legacy titles that are causing problems for you when upgraded?

Mike

With EG, I can't move titles with keyboard. Also, EG needs the shapes found in Legacy Titler. Either upgrade EG with all LT functions or leave both in PPro. When asked if I wanted to upgrade EG, I checked yes. All titles and shapes made in LT were askew. Fortunately, I did not save the project, closed it and exited. When I reloaded PPro, I did not choose the EG upgrade and my LT shapes and graphics were ok.

I'm with you. It's scaring me that they are taking away something that simply works! Maybe Adobe will cave and and leave it in with future releases. Maybe they will allow us to opt out of that.

The legacy titler is such a simple, yet effective tool to create titles. I do not understand why it has to be removed. I get that MOGRTs are a thing and that Essential Graphics is replacing it, but I don't need a tool for graphics, I need one just for titles.

I do not know who thought it would be more intuitive to use Essential Graphics, at least for me, after trying for hours, I still do not get how this is supposed to be an improvement over previous versions where I could simply hit CTRL+T, type in the text and I am done.

Do not make the legacy titler completely a thing of the past. I have never had an issue until the last few "upgrades" have worked intentionally on your part to make it a pain ********** to need to re-size the windows to where they can actually be used. You are going to force me to use something I don't want and take away one of the reasons that I have stuck with Adobe for over 20 years? I have my (very simple) titles set and all I ever do is change the date and go on with the same saved project, week after week after week. I'm really not interested or impressed with new wowzer effects or motions or dazzlelicious, knock 'em over bs. I'll probably quit paying you and become a former customer when your plans to ignore long-time PAYING customers like me are put fully into effect.

As an assistant editor, I have been told that the legacy title is the more professional way to go for creating titles. Everyone I've worked with this year insists on using the legacy title. If we don't, we are building our graphics in another program. It's the cleanest and more efficient way to create a title. it is creative tool and artistic medium for editors in Premiere.

The Legacy Title is so much more useful for all of my needs.
It also resembles the Avid Tool, which is easier for Avid people to transition to Adobe.

By treating each as a title as a "clip", you can build, design and manipulate it independently of the edit, which allows for FAR greater flexibility.

I understand the desire for pre-built title effects with Essential Graphics, but us working editors need a versatile tool for more thank "cool graphics".

I'm usually all for progress and change, but PLEASE KEEP THIS THING!

Hi Dave -

Once the transition plan is complete, all legacy titles in project will be upgraded to essential graphics automatically on project load. You can try out the first (manually controlled) upgrade in the 15.4 Beta version right now if you want, and give us feedback on how it works. It currently upgrades text layers pretty well but does not upgrade shape layers. It will also never be a pixel-for-pixel exact match for the legacy titler.
Actual legacy titler editing and render will be only be maintain in versions that actually support the legacy titler.

Mike

I have a lot of projects that are active or need refreshing every now and then. This is how I make my living, am I to understand that any project that I put titles in in the past is useless now because Adobe wants to change the way it handles titles?

Our only solution now is to never update from now on,
We did that in 2018 for over a year because of instability.

Sergiu's assessment is, sadly and unfortunately, spot on.

Adobe seems to want to force us to adapt to its vision of doing things, even when doing so has absolutely zero benefits for end users and is nothing but a detriment to our workflows.

Case in point: the continued insistence that universal selection conventions need not be respected in Pr - https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/41277514-fix-selection-inconsistencies-in-timeline-ecp?fbclid=IwAR0dqF-txsgxLMQqiI85W7qiC1RAXjUxPHY_P1yJLtXaA9ZtPx2NHFK0UNo (see illustration)

When will the culture at Adobe become less one of "We'll do it our way" and more one of respect? i.e. Respect for users, for world-wide software conventions, for thoughtful consistency between (and even within) Adobe apps, for basic logic and for decency such as not wasting resources on petty things no one ever asked for (or did any user ever ask for Adobe's app icons to be changed to new colours everyone hates?)

I appreciate the feedback from Adobe staff, but actions speak much louder than words, and the words all too often are to say "we're not going to do what you want", as Sergiu points out.

Legacy Title has old code that can no longer be supported. Sorry, it will definitely be removed at some point in the near future. Please give feature requests for any features you still find missing. Good luck.

Hi Michael -

You can control which join type is used for strokes in the EGP, so if you want the rounded joins you can choose that as a pref (EGP wing menu) or on a per-layer basis (wrench menu in the Text settings in the EGP).

The brightness issue is a known bug with some GPUs. It also happens with other kinds of transparent material. It is being worked on.

Mike

If I may add to this discussion, I'm personally saddened to hear about the end of the Legacy Titler. I imported most of my Legacy Title styles to Essential Graphics text styles, only to find several features missing. The EG panel doesn't have Inner Strokes (which many of my saved Legacy presets have) and the existing Outer Stroke feature is horrendous on some typefaces. It looks jagged and blocky on fonts like Gotham and Arial; the LT stroke feature always rounded these edges. The jagged stroke is also a major reason why I kept using LTs instead of the Type Tool.

I've also encountered an odd glitch on export wherein EG and Type Tool layers make the entire video noticeably brighter when they appear onscreen. This does not happen after rendering in-sequence, only after exporting through PrPro or AME. While I've found an effective quick-fix, it involves more work to circumvent. All the more reasons why I have kept using LTs. Hopefully the features I mentioned above or a better way to upgrade existing LT styles to EG can be added in the future...

@Annika "So thank you to everyone who has invested the time. The team sees it. I also want to ask to keep the tone respectful. No harm in being critical, but we are all humans here."

Thank you for your words Annika. There certainly are times that Adobe members participate and therefore we feel heard, but more times than not, what we get in exchange for the time and effort we put in our FRs, votes and comments (for free, mind you, unlike paid Adobe staff) is the sound of crickets. Sometimes the silence is truly hard to understand. For example, with regards to the gaffe Adobe made when changing the colours of its app icons, rather than simply admitting the error and fixing it promptly, dozens of FR posts requesting the reversal of that gaffe were met with silence for a long time. Situations like this erode trust between a company and it's users. How long would it have taken someone at Adobe to fix this gaffe? 1-3 hours? A day? After all, fixing something like that should be as simple as swapping the new icons everyone hates with the old ones people liked.

I think open, straightforward communication like in your post goes a long way towards building trust. More of it from Adobe team members is always welcome! Of course, words also needs to be met with action, and I think fixing some of the little things that would be a quick fix for Adobe Engineers yet speak volumes towards the company's consideration of its users is a good start.

I also think that the reason many users are dismayed by the coming loss of LT is because EG has been such an abject failure at performing some of the most basic things imaginable, such as resizing titles/shapes. Why was the perfectly functional resizing design in LT, Photoshop and Illustrator thrown out the window to be replace by EG's junk resizing code? It's a given that some users (and perhaps even Adobe staff members) won't complain about EG's lack of asset resizing options, but it's also a given that they're the wrong people to consult about design changes! The right people to consult are those who use and understand multi Adobe app workflows and who recognize and respect the incredible value of keeping things consistent whenever doing so is beneficial, by not redesigning the wheel when there's no need to.

I agree that Adobe staff members are humans and deserve respect.
Adobe's users are also humans that deserve respect... and over time, far too many design decisions and omissions have revealed a lack of understanding of and/or respect for our needs. Thus the palpable frustration that can be heard in this thread because of eroded trust. You post is a step in the right direction towards building trust so, once again, thank you!

And as always, thank you for listening!

Hello everyone:

I can't use Essential Graphics to make 3D words, but Legacy Title CAN!!!
Plus Legacy Title Styles is very convenient to change what I want, you don't need to import style every time when you start a new project. Also, I can't use Essential Graphics to draw some easy shape or graphics, BUT Legacy Tittle still CAN!!!! PLZZZZZZ DO NOT retire Legacy Title!!!!!PLZZZZZZ!!!!