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make the Essential Graphics browser flexible: sorting, icon or text, import .mogrt folders, mort folder organizing on the desktop will appea

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  • Pierre Louis Beranek commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Hi James,

    Thanks for the reply.

    Re: (1) "Can you help us understand what the actual editing/creative workflow is where someone would want to add 48 mogrts at once, all in a row in the same track?"

    I'm not sure why you ask this since you already answered this question yourself when you wrote "I have requested this myself because it's often part of my testing process to analyze a lot of mogrts at once." Same goes for me and everyone else. Whether it's to test 2 different .mogrts at once or 48, what's the difference? The ability to drag multiple .mogrts to the Timeline at once would be very helpful anytime they don't have video previews and/or useful thumbnails.

    What I'm suggesting is just a stopgap solution to help users evaluate their .mogrts which don't have a video preview. The best solution by far would be for Adobe to make video previews available for all .mogrts (also allowing users to easily create their own previews when an independent .mogrt developer couldn't do so previously or doesn't care to do so once they're able to).

    Re: (2) "This could get dangerous." I don't see how deleting the junk files I mention could ever be dangerous. The only thing that should be deleted are the files that Pr automatically creates inside the "Motion Graphics Template Media" folder when adding a .mogrt to the Timeline. No user in their right mind would ever keep the only copy they have of a .mogrt inside a subfolder with a crazy name such as "7913d488-10cf-446e-a775-90d47351ea87". You wrote "I think we want to err on the side of NOT automatically deleting any user media from disk". While I agree 100% with that statement, the files I'm talking about Pr deleting are not 'user media', they're files created by Pr. If a user tests 10 .mogrts in their Timeline and discards 9 of them, what's the sense of Pr polluting the user's Project window and their "Motion Graphics Template Media" folder with a bunch of junk files the user does not need nor want? Hopefully, respecting an editor by keeping things clean and tidy is a "really compelling use case for this". ;) If a user ever wants to use any of the .mogrts previously discarded from their Timeline, they can easily do so by dragging them back into their Timeline from the EGP. Once again, to be crystal clear, an original .mogrt on a user's system should never be deleted by Pr just because a user deletes it from their Timeline. Only the supplemental files created by Pr should be removed. Please note that I'm not advocating for a destructive workflow in any way, shape or form.

    I believe this is what most Pr users would like:
    #1. Add video previews to all .mogrts

    If #1 can't be provided by Adobe in a timely fashion (i.e. by the end of 2021), then...

    #2. Give us the ability to drag multiple .mogrts to the Timeline
    and also, if possible, but of lesser importance...
    #3. Automatically delete junk .mogrt files when they are not relevant to the user (i.e. when .mogrts are tested on the Timeline and then deleted)

    #2 and #3 are NOT an alternative to #1, but would be great to help us get by while work is done on providing #1.

    If any of this still isn't clear, please let me know. Thank you!

  • AdminJames S (Adobe) (Software Product Quality Specialist (DVA), Adobe DVA) commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Thank you for the thorough feedback as always, Pierre. For now I will just respond to those 2 additional points you made.

    Re: (1) Drag and drop multiple mogrts to sequence. I have requested this myself because it's often part of my testing process to analyze a lot of mogrts at once. But this is not a real user scenario and when asked to come up with a real use case, I have not been able to. Can you help us understand what the actual editing/creative workflow is where someone would want to add 48 mogrts at once, all in a row in the same track?

    Re: (2) This could get dangerous. A lot of people purchase and use stock mogrts and expect to be able to keep them in their EGP to use whenever they want. If they don't remember to move them to a Library or some additional folder location they could lose their purchases for good. In any case, I think we want to err on the side of NOT automatically deleting any user media from disk or even from within a bin in the project. But again, if you have a really compelling use case for this, we'd like to hear about it.

  • Pierre Louis Beranek commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Thanks for the tips James and Dacia!

    Premiere Composer is fantastic, I highly recommend it to everyone! This plugin definitely solves the organizational limitations of EG.

    The main thing that seems to be missing now is the ability to see previews for all .mogrts. The lack of previews is especially painful when the .mogrts in question don't even have a representative thumbnail, such as in the case of 48 of these 49 animated icons in the attached picture. Imagine having to go through all 48 .mogrts one by one in the Timeline to find the one you're looking for! Providing users with .mogrt previews (i.e. an easy way to generate them at the .mogrt creator and/or end user level) would make .mogrts so much easier to work with!

    FR for this here: https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/34344874-preview-the-motion-of-the-mogrt-inside-eg-panel

    Another 2 things that would be helpful:
    1. The ability to drag & drop multiple .mogrts in the Timeline at the same time. In the case of the 48 animated icons, if a user could at least drag them all to the Timeline at the same time to preview them in the Program Monitor, it would essentially reduce 48 drag & drop steps to just one!
    https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/42578794-drag-multiple-mogrts-to-timeline-at-once-to-make

    2. If a user drags a .mogrt to the Timeline to test, and then deletes it, it would be nice if that same .mogrt were automatically deleted from the "Motion Graphics Template Media" Bin in the Project Window and from the "Motion Graphics Template Media" folder next to the project file in Windows Explorer. This would keep things a lot tidier!
    https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/42579226-when-deleting-mogrt-from-timeline-also-delete-fr

    These two features would be a handy stopgap solution if providing proper video previews for all .mogrts isn't feasible due to software limitations.

    As always, thanks for listening!

  • AdminDacia Saenz (Quality Engineer, Adobe DVA) commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Mr. Horse makes a really rad free plug-in called Premiere Composer that comes with a ton of free Mogrts, but most importantly has a panel that organizes your content, including Mogrts into a more traditional folder structure.

    Mr. Horse is an incredible 3rd-party developer and has a long track record of making complimentary tools for After Effects and Premiere Pro.

    Hope this helps!

    https://misterhorse.com/premiere-composer

    https://youtu.be/CPgSPWIw1Qk

  • AdminJames S (Adobe) (Software Product Quality Specialist (DVA), Adobe DVA) commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Thank you all for the helpful comments and votes here. This really helps us understand user needs and priorities.

    This particular topic has included a lot of different ideas and requests over the years and has been hard to follow over time. Also, the Under Review status assigned to it may be a little misleading. As a result, we are removing that label at this time. This doesn't mean that we don't care about all the user requests in this area. On the contrary, we want to keep hearing your voices so that we can deliver the best possible features in the future.

    For now, I'd like to let anyone who is reading know about a few existing methods to help you organize your mogrts:
    (1) Export or copy your mogrts to be inside of CC Libraries. These can be filtered and viewed like folders in the EGP and they are also searchable from within the EGP Browse panel.
    (2) Use "Manage Additional Folders" which can accessed from the EGP spanner menu. You can add, remove and sort local and network folders from within this dialog and then view and filter them from within the EGP Browse tab.
    (3) There is a free plugin call Premiere Composer which will give you some really nice UI to help you organize and use mogrts.

    Regarding that 3rd option, I'll let my colleague Dacia provide some additional info about it including a link to a page where you can preview and download it if you want.

  • Annika Koenig (Premiere Pro) commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Hi Mara, thanks for your comment. Would you please file a separate user voice post and give a little more information about the issue you are facing? Also please send a screenshot which shows the problem. This way we can focus on your specific issue. Thanks! Annika

  • AdminDacia Saenz (Quality Engineer, Adobe DVA) commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Hi Mark,

    Emailing you as well... can you share a screenshot or video of your issue?
    Are you using a Mogrt that was made in Premiere Pro or After Effects?
    If you're using a title made natively in Premiere, is it possible that your logo has gone offline?

    Would you also mind sharing your Mogrt?

    Hopefully we can get you back on track soon!

    Thanks so much,
    Dacia
    Dacia

  • Mark Oliver commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I just updated and now my business logo graphic has disappeared from my time line. It was there and now its gone. The word logo has replaced it in white. Any suggestions?

  • AndyT commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    ........ and we're still waiting since April 28th 2018 to get folders back in Premiere Pro's Essential Graphics panel (EGP).

    Sadly the EGP is often slow and clunky and awkward to navigate. Also, why are there no simple ways to create Poster Thumbnail frames for animations or quick ways to scrub and preview animations.

    Come on Adobe. Making a useful and efficient EGP that actually works is long, long overdue.....your paying customers are waiting. Sadly so are your customer's clients also waiting and it's costing us money and our reputations!

  • Pierre Louis Beranek commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I saw someone here mention Motion Factory (www.motionfactory.io). Thank you! It solves the Essential Graphics Panel's (EGP) issues:
    1. The template names displayed are whatever file names you give to your files! This means you can easily batch rename your downloaded MOGRT templates to relevant names using a tool such a Better File Rename, rather than have to rename your files one by one by one inside the EGP!

    2. FOLDERS!!!!!!! The Motion Factory panel allows you to create, rename and remove folders to organize your files. The interface itself only allows you to do this on the root level, so you can't create sub-folders, HOWEVER, Motion Factory allows you to import your entire MOGRT library at once, with subfolders upon subfolders, respecting whatever folder structure you have on your hard drive!!!

    Adobe sure could learn a thing or two from the folks over at Motion Factory! For now, this is the tool I'm going to use since the Essential Graphics panel is utter garbage in comparison.

  • Pierre Louis Beranek commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I only started using the EGP now, so I'm surprised to see the request to bring back folders. This means there used to be folders but now they're gone? What?!!! That's my #1 gripe with the EGP, the lack of any way to organize templates in bins/folders. Why would Adobe ever remove this uber essential feature??

  • Andrey commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Bring back folders to the Essential Graphics Browser! Make Premiere great again!

  • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    hi, i can not select and import this file to after effect 2019. ( I don't have "Brows: button. )

    thank you

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