The captions-tool is now only for when the edit is definitely locked. What if the sequence needs to be changed after the caption-file is made? If a new scene is spliced in, we need to move all textcaps, making room for the new ones. But now we can only move them one by one, in stead of selecting many text-caps and move them all in one operation. (Using two or more caption-clips in one sequence is very buggy.)
As we look at our current captions workflow, we will use this feedback to keep us informed
the dudes commented
It's still buggy. It doesn't update. FFS!!!
Andrew Kines commented
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FCPX caption tool has a great feature that should be added to PP. Say you're working with a transcript for a speaker that's not in any sort of caption format but does match what is said in the video i.e. their teleprompter script.
Make a new caption, paste in the large block of text. Extend the one caption out to the match the beginning and end of the spoken text. select split caption. It breaks the one caption into many smaller captions at the line breaks.
So you can edit your transcript in any text editor, set the wrap to the character limit for the format or font size you're using, cut and paste the text into the caption and split it up by line break. Then it's just the not so small matter of going in and adjusting the timing. It's a workaround that allows one to edit the transcript on any device and have control over making sure new sentences are not in the middle of captions and other annoyances if you use the YouTube AI workaround. There's also a "join captions" function that will do just that. It's way faster to get a basic captioning done in FCPX using those tools and then just export it to PP for formatting. There's more support in PP for open caption formats and other nuances of the captioning world but the interface for making/editing them is a real hindrance.
LEONARD GOULD commented
It does appear that now if you export the captions with the timeline in a video format the captions take on the timings from the timeline, not the original ones in the Captions editor window. It also appears that you can cut the caption clip (k tool) to add footage. It is somewhat problematic (maybe IMPOSSIBLE), though, to add captions to an empty clip made this way.
One clear rule: Captions must all be on the same track number whether cut or not.
Andrej Kopac commented
There should be better options for stylizing text and formatting in captions. Captioning is becoming more important, especially on social media platforms. Also, more background control, the ability to customize a fixed text panel size, soft edges, borders and etc.
FYI @Joao - Bold and Italic with caption edging has been fixed in our upcoming release.
FYI @Julie - The transparency issues with 608 backgrounds has been fixed
It was because users like you took the time to give feedback that these bugs got fixed. Captions are not a super exciting feature, so I rely on our users to keep pressure on the team to fix this stuff. Thank you for reaching out and making sure we knew how much you cared.
João Gabriel Riveres commented
Nate, I think it is awesome that the one developing the panel is speaking with us. For that, thank you. I think that the Import Settings added on the latest version of Premiere CC helps a little, although we are far from Captions being a trusty option for captioning.
Maybe the biggest gripe we have is the fact that the panel`s behavior is absolutely erratic. It seldom updates as changes are made. I think that this is a visualization problem, since restarting Premiere does apply changes (sometimes). This kind of behavior is infuriating. Subtitling/captioning is a time consuming and energy draining work, having to deal with this kind of problems makes it unbearable.
There some usability things that may ease our relationship with the panel: give us the HOME and END buttons for editing text, not jumping to the first or last caption on the list. Shortcuts for jumping to the next and previous captions. Make it easier to edit caption length on timeline, there should be a way for us not to drag the Caption Clip (CTRL+Click, for instance). Personally I would like the caption clip to work as the AVID Media Composer's one: it occupies the hole track and CUTS create new captions on the list (it is way easier to deal with).
This is just a taste, maybe we should merge all topics related to the Caption Panel in one, what say you?
Sorry you haven't been satisfied with the Caption Panel. I have spent the better part of two years trying to fix/implement behaviors that will make it better. If you have a few specific pain points, I can help more.
I do read all of this and it does lead to actions by the development team!
There Bold and Italic do not work with open caption edging, this has been added to the feature backlog. Sorry for the frustration.
Send me your project to https://www.facebook.com/PremiereNate and I can take a look. There is a known issue with some projects not showing the black background. It is a simulation bug and the actual background will be there for closed caption playback to broadcast.
1. were the captions imported or authored in Premiere?
2. If imported, what is the format of the caption file? Where did you get it?
Julie Kreuzer commented
Same problem here. Working in 608 closed captions. Background is transparent. Premiere Pro doesn't allow me to change background to opaque. Please provide a solution!
João Gabriel Riveres commented
There are so many problems with the Caption Panel in Premiere that the list is endless. I'll point out a very simple one, within the Open Caption mode, which is one of the most stable ones.
For some inexplicable reason Premiere does not allow Edge Color on Bold fonts. I've tried several fonts and every time I try to activate Edge Color on Arial Bold, for instance, Premiere converts the Bold to Regular (without changing it on the Font options, of course!).
That is one issue. If you can help me with this simple thing, I'll give you a full list of every bug I've encountered over and over again!
Nathan McGuire commented
Yes, everything from import settings not being respected to incorrect timecode at the start of subtitles, unresponsive interaction when attempting to change font sizes and so so so much more make this unusable. You have new competition: Davinci Resolve. Please don't make the same mistake apple did with Final Cut. We all hate needing to learn new software.
Jef Schaap commented
The caption panel / system continues to have numerous issues and strange behaviors- too many to really enumerate. I dread any project where I have to use it. It's 2019 and time to give this feature the serious attention it's never had. It's improved greatly from a few years ago but still needs a huge amount of development.
Closed caption settings are very glitchy and the two times I have needed to use them have resulted in bugged issues. 1. text appearing at the top for every new caption created. 2. Not being able to change the background colour of the text. 3. Captions resting position every time a project is opened.
It would also be great if you could change the font/ text size and spacing. It is very restrictive.
The way that I find works best is to copy the time code at the moment you want the caption to start and paste it into the "in" box, then do the same with the "out". Works perfectly for me, and I don't have to worry about dragging the handles around. I have the underlying script in a Word file and simply go to the beginning of the first word on the timeline, copy time, press + to add a new caption, highlight "in", paste, go to end of the line, highlight timecode, copy, select "out", paste, then copy/paste the line(s) from the script. Time consuming but this kind of work IS time consuming!
Can you please make it, so that when i edit captions i dont have to first double click the layer of the captions before i can move the black tabs(where the text is in) around in the timeline? It's honestly super annoying, pleeeeease change that asap.
Erik Díaz commented
Sometimes I need to make room and move subtitles. I think that a tool similar to "Track Select Forward Tool" to work inside the caption track will do it. Also when clicks and drag on the middle of a caption you can move that particular caption. When select various captions pressing "shift key", you can not move all of them. On the other hand on the caption panel editor, the keyboard arrow keys "up" and "down" must allow to move up and downd betwen the text lines inside the caption editor box, also Home and End keys must work just like they do on any text editor. The choice to "Kerning" and "Leading" the text is a must also, as well as "vertical-align center" for when you have single line and double line subtitles to look better. A welcome feature can be a way to import all text form a TXT file or via Clipboard and be able to select the sentence, to divide in lines, hit play in the timeline and select in/out points to insert the sentence as a new line of caption with the corresponding timecode. Then select next sentence...and repeat the process. Because right now I get all the text on Microsoft Word and have to copy and paste the line, then sync manually with the mouse and go to word again... Also the choice to time remap a subtitle. Lets supose the .srt you get is 24fps but your footage is 23.97. this can be a choice on "Interpret Footage"
Micah Haun commented
Open captions completely fall apart if you use more than one in a project. They will stop updating properly and sometimes go back to displaying a "type your caption here" message.
If they are in different sequences, it will usually update again if I render any of it. Multiple captions in the same sequence causes everything to break even when rendered. The second one isn't as big of a deal, but there are still times when that could be useful.
Christian Dahl commented
Nate: I used one main caption-container, split it in two clips in the timeline, and changed the order of them, and added a new caption-container inbetween. When I tried to export the videofile (H264), the caption would simply not appear in the videofile - burnt-in. So I had to move every single text-cap into the correct position, in one single caption-container.
But this only happened in one specific project, I have not done more testing in other projects.
The enhancement you mention is in the database for future consideration. Thanks for your feedback.
If you have time, what sort of bugs do you see cutting the captions container or using multiple captions files?